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  MANY DIFFICULT YEARS AHEAD : PER CHRISTENSEN

  by raymond frantz in

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  https://youtu.be/jsmbtv4nafi?si=ezj0dnudyjls4knc.

  there was a time they preached the great tribulation was a short period of time between the fall of babylon and jesus coming back to save them, now they realize there are difficult years ahead of us, watch this latest morning worship video by per christensen on this subject .

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  JeffT

  I'm a retired accountant and I can't keep up with the changes.

  If I could go back in time and drag my 1975 era self to the present he would not recognize the religion.
  
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  Crisis of Conscience available for free on Audible

  by nicolaou in

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  i'm unclear on how this has been achieved or if permissions have been given.

  presumably, audible (part of amazon) have their own procedures to ensure legality, but here it is nonetheless;.

  listen to crisis of conscience - raymond franz by crisis of conscience - raymond franz on audible.

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  JeffT

  Balaamsass2

  I've told this story here more than once, but it fits in here.

  In the spring of 1988 my wife and I were struggling with our relationship with the Watchtower - without discussing it with each other at all. We were both terrified that the other would find out we were no longer believers. I was doing research at the Seattle public library on my lunch breaks, she was going to Christian books stores and researching there. I ending up buying a copy of CofC and hiding under by side of the bed.

  So on this particular Sunday morning neither of us felt like going to meeting (cough cough I think I'm getting a bug). As I'm drinking my coffee I look up and see Mrs. T coming down the hall with CofC in her hand. Just about the time I expected her to jump on me about it, she grinned held up a second copy of the book and said "this one's mine".

  We spent the next year researching everything that came out of the Watchtower and DA'd in March 1989. I look back on that event and my thought now is: WTF kind of religion makes husbands and wives hid their books from each other.
  
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  Ages of each user here?

  by ukpimo in

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  i'm interested to know the age demographics here.

  it must be significantly different to other exjw forums.

  it would be a damning report for watchtower if most of us appear to have left for decades.. you don't have to mention your exact age, you could always say "in my 50s".. i am in my 70s.

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  I'm 73 I converted during the peak of the 1975 hype, in my twenties. Left in 1989.
  
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  Celebrities Who Hate Jw's?

  by Ron.W. in

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  2. beliefs

  do you recall any?.

  i was told that john denver hated jw's with a vengeance - any truth in that?.

  also, annie lennox - i was told before a concert she asked any jw's present to leave?.

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  Two rumors about Celebrities and JW's.

  1) {insert name of celebrity} hates JW's at their concerts they start by asking all JW's to leave.

  2 {insert name of celebrity} is a JW. They were baptized at the {insert name of convention}, they go out in service with {insert name of congregation}. As soon as they finish contract requirements they will quit {whatever they do} and pioneer full time.

  There have been a few that #2 applies to, but not many and certainly not equal to the number of rumors.

  Over the years I've been to many concerts (including John Denver) and I've never hears such an announcement. I think most celebreties are smart enough not to piss off their fans.
  
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  Leaked Info: Watchtower Received $497 Million From One Country (Britain) In Last Six Years! [Must Watch!]

  by Golden4Altar in

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  leaked info:watchtower received $497 million from one country (britain) in last six years!

  [must watch!].

  this video was just released with documented proof, see this link: https://jehovahstruth.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=187#p187.

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  JeffT

  Retired accountant here

  So now tell me again how a $2 million USD settlement here, or a $5 million USD settlement there, for CSA payouts is going to "bring down" the WatchTower?

  
  

  I've been trying to argue this point for years. Most companies have a line item in their budgets for legal costs. It's just part of doing business, the Watchtower is no different.
  
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  How they could change blood doctrine

  by Person in

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  many people say gb will soon dump blood doctrine to appear less fanatical.

  others saying it is impossible for them to do that because of legal ramifications.

  i think there is a way that could potentially be solution to those problems.

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  What do you think, does it make any sense?

  No.

  My father, never a member of any church, much less JW's; was a Hematologist. He told me once that medical science does not recognize major vs minor blood components, end of story.
  

  The watchtower has painted itself into a corner leaving no exit strategy whatsoever, anything they say to try and extract themselves from this mess will just add another layer of bullshit to the pile.
  
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

  by Simon in

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  2. friends

  uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

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  If he ever did anything resembling original research I haven't seen it. Some of his stuff taking apart convention talks and the like may have helped some people break free, but it was not original. It was all reactive.

  He's had what, twelve years, to learn the skills it would take to be a potent threat to the Watchtower? Learn Greek and Hebrew. Earn an advanced degree in comparative religion. Understand logic, rhetoric, and the rules of hermeneutics and exegisis.

  I don't know what it costs to get a PhD in the UK, but I'm sure the patrons could have found the money. Too bad that was the road not taken.
  
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  JW Expanded Volunteer Activities?

  by doinmypart in

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  i think the gb needs to expand publishers' volunteer activities beyond door knocking.. gb has shifted away from door-knocking to more varied forms of witnessing and no longer counting time for publishers.

  my prediction is that the gb will start encouraging jws to participate in broader community volunteer efforts: clean-up drives, food banks, senior citizen support, and other non-proselytizing activities.

  this move could help them gain goodwill with government agencies and the public.. expanding volunteer activities could significantly shift how jws are perceived by the wider community.

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  I remember when I left JW mentally, one of the first things I wanted my family and I to do was volunteer at food banks and animal shelters.

  I donated blood. It seemed the best way to say "I'm not a JW anymore." I don't see this or anything like it, becoming commonplace for JW's.
  
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

  by Simon in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

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  Slim, I don't mind at all, I think it sheds some light on his success or lack thereof. The best selling of my books is an alternate history, "1910: War in the Pacific." I've sold 740 physical copies (paperback and electronic) and 461,438 page reads. This is functionally equivalent to 1503 books, for a total of 2243 sold. The book has 170 reviews, so 13 reviews for each sale. Applied to Lloyd's 600ish reviews that translates to 7800 total sales.

  Translating Amazon's sales rank number into units sold is notoriously difficult, calculating profits is even worse. In Lloyd's case the printing costs are probably taking a big bite out of his profits.

  Speaking of costs, what the hell did he need fundraiser for? The printing and publishing costs at Amazon are charged when a book sells. If he hired some one to edit it doesn't show in the final product.
  
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

  by Simon in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

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  JeffT

  For the record:

  There are two ways to make money self-publishing on Amazon. One is sale of physical books or electronic books. Amazon pays the author a royalty based on the price set by the author.

  Or readers subscribe to the Kindle Library, I believe it costs about $10/month. Amazon tracks all the pages read and pays a royalty based on that (a few cents per page.) I currently have five books on Amazon and hope to add #6 soon.

  Three of those have sold fairly well, the other two not so much.

  In total I've sold 1,397 physical books. I have a total of 882,921 library page reads.