Posts by UnDisfellowshipped

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Ted Jaracz - the accused

by Nathan Natas in

at the silentlambs march in brooklyn ny on september 27, 2002 a woman made a public statement which began, .

i'm pat garza, and i'm here today because i was raped by theodore jaracz when i was a little girl, in the city of los angeles, he was district servant.

there are two boys; their initials are "m.v.

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Great Post Dave (seven006)!

Edited by - UnDisfellowshipped on 8 October 2002 22:36:54

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WT Hypocrisy vs. Protecting Children/ SL

by Siddhashunyata in

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there is a growing concern that silentlambs is dealing with two mutually exclusive issues.

the hypocrisy of the wtbts is one issue and protecting children is the other.

additionaly there is criticism of bill bowen's, at times, "down home" approach to dealing with the wtbts.

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All Bill Bowen had to do to expose the hypocrisy of the Watchtower was speak to the Media about their Child Abuse Policy, and then let J.R. Brown open his mouth!

Bill has done a remarkable job at this!

Edited by - UnDisfellowshipped on 8 October 2002 5:23:26

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Bash the Catholics here.

by JG in

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reading one of the other threads got me thinking.

what is the root of anti-catholic sentiment.

i was raised a catholic, still catholic, and have never heard a good reason why some people dislike catholicism.

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Read the Bible -- Prayer IS part of WORSHIP!

Where is the Biblical basis for praying to ANYONE other than the Father, the Son, and the Spirit?

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Bash the Catholics here.

by JG in

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reading one of the other threads got me thinking.

what is the root of anti-catholic sentiment.

i was raised a catholic, still catholic, and have never heard a good reason why some people dislike catholicism.

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I haven't read all the Replies yet.

Here are some UN-Biblical FALSE things the Catholics do:

They pray to Mary, they pray to Saints.

Some of them basically do "Idol-Worship".

They basically worship the Pope.

Also, what's up with the Mass and all the Confessions?

How about using Religious Titles such as "Father"?

How about forbidding certain people to get Married?

If you can show me Scriptures where it supports these things, I would love to see it.

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GOD LOVES YOU -- GOD IS LOVE!

by UnDisfellowshipped in

because his works were evil, and his brother's righteous.

he who doesn't love his brother remains in death.

1st john 3:23: this is his commandment, that we should believe in the name of his son, jesus christ, and love one another, even as he commanded.. 1st john 3:24: he who keeps his commandments remains in him, and he in him.

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Yes, Farkel, please Post the Links.

You can't really be a "Noble Beroean" unless you check out what everything says.

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NEWS FLASH: WATCHTOWER WILL NEVER Meet with BILL B

by minimus in

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just in case you weren't really sure, the watchtower and the governing body will never meet with bill bowen.

he is now disfellowshipped.

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Windchaser said:

UnDisfellowshiped, do you honestly believe that attempting to improve cult policies will cause the internal change Mr. Bowen is striving for?

Well, if there is enough Media Coverage, Lawsuit Victories, and Action from Caesar, then they will be FORCED to change their Policy on Child Abuse.

Also, if their Policy gets enough Media Coverage, it may help to set A LOT of JW's free from this corrupt, wicked, evil, Satanic False Religion from Hell.

Windchaser said:

Edited to add: Forgive my cynicism, but they deceived me for 30 years, why should they all of a sudden change policies and start behaving like a real channel from God, showing loving care for the very children Jesus told them to be like? And do you really think that the law will stop them from protecting their favorites? I find this highly unlikely. I think that they will just become more secretive. After all, God's on their side. Did Moses obey Pharoah?

I definitely understand your cynicism. They deceived me for 18+ years also.

See my above comments, for why they will be forced to change their Policy.

I do not believe the Watchtower Leaders (and most Local Elders) will EVER have true love for Children, or for any other Members.

The Jehovah's Witnesses DO NOT follow Jesus, they follow the Governing Body of Satan.

It is my Prayer that the "Superior Authorities" (aka Caesar), will force the Watchtower to change their demonic Pedophile Policy.

The Society will still try to cover up certain Pedophiles, but hopefully it will be much more rare, and the victims will definitely be more willing to speak out!

Moses talked directly with GOD, and GOD wrote HIS Commandments on Stone, so I believe Moses was truly GOD's "Anointed One" at that time.

How can the Watchtower Leaders get around Romans Chapter 13? They can try, but they will look stupid.

Windchaser said:

I truly hope that I'm wrong. I think of them as a money-making business and the best way to destroy a business is by forcing it into bankrupcy.

Yes, I would LOVE to see the Watchtower hit with a CATHOLIC-Sized Lawsuit for MILLIONS and MILLIONS of Dollars!

Don't worry, God's Will shall be accomplished!

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Blessings from Jehoovah - BAH!

by Beck_Melbourne in

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i had so many fine blessings as a dub that after pondering on them...i am starting to wonder why i left.. some of my blessings were having the bookstudy in our home, oh what a fine blessing....i didnt have to go out on a cold night and i could save 20 minutes in travelling time....woohoo!!

making the unleven bread for the memorial, cool, i got to have the left overs *blech*.

also, working with the cos wife out on field service...yeah that was awesome, i got to pretend i was spiritual and i could talk crap all morning about the co's use of illustrations *choke*.

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AMEN to AGuest!

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Was the catholic church an Enemy of scripture?

by gumby in

does the print in bold type remind you guys of another organisation you can think of??????????

was the catholic church an avowed enemy of scripture

was it really fear of false doctrine that caused the church to object to the scriptures being in the hands of the laity?

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Kenneson said:

As a matter of fact, the literal interpretation of Matt. 23:9 "Call no one on earth your father; you have but one Father in heaven" would forbid it. But it doesn't. In John 8:56 Jesus calls Abraham father. I would imagine he knew the sense of his meaning in Matt. See also Luke 16:24 and Rom. 4:11-12. In Matt. 19:19 Jesus also tells us to "Honor your father and mother." Unless the apostle Paul did not understand Matt. 23:9, he had no problem in calling himself spiritual father (1 Cor. 4:15) He also refers to Isaac as father in Rom. 9:10 In addressing the Jews in Jerusalem he calls them brothers and fathers (Acts 22:1) So Matt. 23:9 is not a blanket condemnation of calling all humans father as you imply. This verse is apparently applicable to Jesus' day. Would you say there were Catholic priests at this time? If not, then who was he referring to? Read it again. It was the Scribes and Pharisees.

Okay, you are correct, you can definitely call your Dad "Father" and your Forefathers "Father".

In Matthew 23:9, Jesus Christ was saying do not use "Father" as a Religious TITLE.

Same thing with "Rabbi" and "Teacher". A religious person who teaches you something is a "Rabbi" or "Teacher", however you should not use that as a Religious TITLE.

I know that there were no Catholics back then.

I will try to comment on your other comments soon.

I have a question, if we are supposed to give such high honor to Mary, is Mary mentioned in any Book of the Bible after the Gospels and Acts? If so, what does it say about her?

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Was the catholic church an Enemy of scripture?

by gumby in

does the print in bold type remind you guys of another organisation you can think of??????????

was the catholic church an avowed enemy of scripture

was it really fear of false doctrine that caused the church to object to the scriptures being in the hands of the laity?

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I just can't understand why the Catholics didn't want the "Rank-And-File" to have a copy of the Bible, can you?

Can't you see that the Bible CLEARLY says that you are supposed to call humans "Father"?

Matthew 23:5: But all their works they do to be seen by men. They make their phylacteries broad, enlarge the fringes of their garments,
Matthew 23:6: and love the place of honor at feasts, the best seats in the synagogues,
Matthew 23:7: the salutations in the marketplaces, and to be called 'Rabbi, Rabbi' by men.
Matthew 23:8: But don't you be called 'Rabbi,' for One is your Teacher, the Christ, and all of you are brothers.
Matthew 23:9: Call no man on the Earth your father, for One is your Father, He who is in Heaven.
Matthew 23:10: Neither be called masters, for One is your Master, the Christ.
Matthew 23:11: But he who is greatest among you will be your servant.
Matthew 23:12: Whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.

Can't you see the Bible CLEARLY says that some people are NOT supposed to get Married?

1st Timothy 4:1: But the Spirit says expressly that in later times some will fall away from the Faith, paying attention to seducing spirits and doctrines of demons,
1st Timothy 4:2: through the hypocrisy of men who speak lies, branded in their own conscience as with a hot iron;
1st Timothy 4:3: forbidding marriage and commanding to abstain from foods which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth.
1st Timothy 4:4: For every creature of God is good, and nothing is to be rejected, if it is received with thanksgiving.
1st Timothy 4:5: For it is sanctified through the Word of God and prayer.

Can't you see that the Bible CLEARLY says that Mary, the mother of Jesus, is supposed to receive special honor?

Matthew 12:46: While He was yet speaking to the multitudes, behold, His mother and His brothers stood outside, seeking to speak to Him.
Matthew 12:47: One said to Him, "Behold, your mother and your brothers stand outside, seeking to speak to You."
Matthew 12:48: But He answered him who spoke to Him, "Who is My mother? Who are My brothers?"
Matthew 12:49: He stretched out His hand towards His Disciples, and said, "Behold, My mother and My brothers!
Matthew 12:50: For whoever does the Will of My Father who is in Heaven, he is My brother, and sister, and mother."

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Watchtower says "Do not get MARRIED"

by UnDisfellowshipped in

the watchtower november 1st 1938 issue, page 323:.

the watchtower november 1st 1938 issue, page 324:.

november 8th 1974 issue, page 11:.

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Can you believe this?

Also, check out this Thread to see that the Watchtower says DO NOT HAVE CHILDREN: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=38119&site=3

The Watchtower November 1st 1938 Issue, Page 323:

"If in obedience to the divine command the Jonadabs or great multitude will marry and rear children after Armageddon, would it not be Scripturally proper for them to begin doing so immediately before Armageddon? And should the Jonadabs now be encouraged to marry and rear children? No, is the answer, supported by the Scriptures."

The Watchtower November 1st 1938 Issue, Page 324:

"It would therefore appear that there is no reasonable or Sriptural injunction to bring children into the world immediately before Armageddon, where we now are."

Children (1941 Edition), Page 366:

"We can well defer our marriage until lasting peace comes to earth."

The Watchtower April 1st 1964 Issue, Page 199:

"As an example, some prohibit the people from eating meat on particular days and their priests from getting married. Besides restricting one's freedom, these laws are expressly warned against by Christian apostle Paul. In his letter to Timothy he said that 'some will fall away from the faith forbidding to marry, commanding to abstain from foods which God created to be, partaken of with thanksgiving."

Awake! November 8th 1974 Issue, Page 11:

"Today there is a great crowd of people who are confident that a destruction of even greater magnitude is now imminent. The evidence is that Jesus' prophecy will shortly have a major fulfillment, upon this entire system of things. This has been a major factor in influencing many couples to decide not to have children at this time. They have chosen to remain childless so that they would be less encumbered to carry out the instructions of Jesus Christ to preach the good news of God's kingdom earth wide before the end of this systems comes. - Matt. 24:14"

The Watchtower September 15th 1979 Issue, Page 31:

"God ordained marriage (Gen. 2:18-25). So his Word speaks of those who 'will forbid marriage' as having departed 'from the faith, giving heed to deceitful spirits and doctrines of devils, speaking lies hypocritically,' How inappropriate, then to disapprove of marriage, a lawful act in God's sight."
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What does the BIBLE say about this?

1st Timothy 4:1: But the Spirit says expressly that in later times some will fall away from the Faith, paying attention to seducing spirits and doctrines of demons,
1st Timothy 4:2: through the hypocrisy of men who speak lies, branded in their own conscience as with a hot iron;
1st Timothy 4:3: forbidding marriage and commanding to abstain from foods which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth.
1st Timothy 4:4: For every creature of God is good, and nothing is to be rejected, if it is received with thanksgiving.
1st Timothy 4:5: For it is sanctified through the Word of God and prayer.