Posts by oppostate

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About Anonymous they are working on things as we speak!

by life is to short in

soldier 77 just posted this about two hours ago but i think his post got lost is the great debate and straw mans that another posters was throwing around.. anyway i hope soldier 77 does not mind if i make a thread from his insight.

soldier 77 "this seems to have missed in the tangent argument going on: http://pastebin.com/3nitctlf.

anonymous are needing some more people on the inside to help.

oppostate

Thanks to Yknot for the exTJ news about the OSCE meeting and JW reps here's a few more email addresses for the kitty at twitter.

Can someone pass these on?

This information is available to the public on the PDF about the conference at the OSCE/ODHIR website.

NOTE: some of the branch emails have the country code before jw.org for example @fr.jw.org and @it.jw.org

Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe

NGO's

2 Administrative Centre of Jehovah's Witnesses, Russia ul. Srednyaya, bldg. 6, pos. Solnechnoye; 197739 St. Petersburg; Russian Federation Website: http://www.jw-media.org Mr. Sergey CHEREPANOV Deputy Chairman E-mail: [email protected] Tel: 812-432-95-50 Fax: 812-432-40-70

6 Association cultuelle des Temoins de Jehovah 11 rue de Seine; 92100 Boulogne Billancourt; France Mr. Jean-Claude PONS Secretary E-mail: [email protected] Tel: 2-32 25 55 55 Fax: 2-32 25 56 56

42 European Association of Jehovah's Christian Witnesses Rue d'Argile, 60; B-1950 Kraainem; Belgium Website: http://www.jw-media.org Mr. Paul GILLIES Press Officer E-mail: [email protected] Tel: 208-906 22 11 Fax: 208-906 39 38

79 Office of General Counsel for Jehovah's Witnesses 100 Watchtower Drive; Patterson, NY 12563; U.S.A. Mr. James ANDRIK Associate General Counsel E-mail: [email protected] Tel: 845-306 07 11 Fax: 845-306 07 09

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ABOVE THE UNIVERSE BELOW

by oppostate in

i've just finished reading the novel "above the universe below" by elias barton.. http://www.amazon.com/above-the-universe-below-ebook/dp/b008cqgcug.

it very well portrays the relationships or non-relationships of jws with df'ed.

family members and it entwines the story within a parallel story-line that is .

oppostate

I've just finished reading the novel "Above the Universe Below" by Elias Barton.

http://www.amazon.com/Above-the-Universe-Below-ebook/dp/B008CQGCUG

It very well portrays the relationships or non-relationships of JWs with DF'ed

family members and it entwines the story within a parallel story-line that is

both surreal and at the same time quite appealing in a SciFi & Fantasy way.

I was wondering if the author is an exJW and if he's a member of the JWD/JWN

community. In either case kudos on a very interesting read!

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Is the Governing Body overdue to make new appointments?

by cedars in

i'm doing some research for a new blog article on the governing body.

it's in a question-and-answer or "faq" format, and attempts to give simple but well-founded answers to most questions that people could conceivably ask about the governing body.. one thing i noticed when looking at the history of the governing body is that we seem to be in the middle of a lengthy "dry spell" when it comes to making new appointments.. gerrit losch is currently the longest-serving member having been appointed in 1994. however, his appointment came at the end of a 17 year period in which no appointments were made.

this contrasts notably with the remarkable six-year period between 1971 and 1977 when 15 members were added.. since losch's appointment, 4 members were added in 1999 (herd, lett, pierce and splane) and 2 more recently in 2005 (morris and jackson).. the seven year spell since the last appointments were made has seen the deaths of barber, barr, jaracz, shroeder and sydlik - cutting the number of governing body members almost in half.

oppostate

There's a good likely candidate list to choose from at:

http://www.pcsgraphics.net/jwtalks/COVisits/DOCOVisits.html

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Skype vs. all the rest

by Open mind in

jw
friends

thinking about trying out video chat.

any experiences?.

om.

oppostate

RBIH said " i will say, the android skype is rather terrible. for some stupid reason, it only uses speakerphone and they still haven't fixed that bug."

Since Microsoft bought Skype I'd say that it's unlikely they're very excited about fixing any Skype bugs on Android, maybe even bugging it on purpose ;-) They should change their name to Monopolysoft and be more upfront. Heh heh!

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Hardest most awkward parts of being mentally out but physically in

by BU2B in

jw
friends

i am still physically in but am completely out mentally.. i was curious for those who spent some time in the borg while being mentally out or are still in that position, what is the worst, hardest or most awkward parts... for me i intensly dislike attending the meetings however its bearable as i can just let my mind wander, but field service is awful.

i cannot try to bring someone in to a group that i am trying to plot a way out of.

so now i try my best to either spend the day driving around to others fruitless rv's (we have somewhat rural territory) or eating out at an extended breakfast or if door to door cannot be avoided, i try to work alone and not ring bells.

oppostate

@justmom

He doesn't have to feel like a hypocrite.

He can feel like an undercover "Jehovah's Un-Witness."

He can, while feeling trapped inside the WT religion, work towards getting others to realize "the truth about The Truth(R)" (TTATT).

@BU2B

First step is to get another email address for this purpose. Then gather all your Witness friends' emails, as many as you can.

Continue sly as a snake and guiltless as a dove, but as a dove with massive droppings, and yes, you aim to s**t all over the WT teachings.

Starting with the teaching about the WT Society not being inspired (get info at jwfacts) and comparing to the Bible which most Christians believe is indeed inspired.

Then expose the lessons you can learn from works like Crisis of Conscience by Ray Franz, and Captives of a Concept by Don Cameron...

Also useful are Winning the Witnesses by Daniel Rodriguez, and Joe Winter's Jehovah's Witnesses: Help for Those Seeking Truth.

Start a surreptitious email witnessing service to awaken others to TTATT. Careful with your IP address. Reset your Cable Modem before and afer each session.

And the best part is, you'll count your time while doing un-witnessing work.

While in service or associating after meetings if caught and put on the spot, say something like "I do believe a 'Jehovah's Witness(R)' has to believe fully in the 'Governing Body(R)'" Any such double talk is fine, because you know what you mean, but they think they heard something else they believe.

If asked whether you believe fully, say that you are just a man, an imperfect man who tries hard to learn the real truth and nothing but the truth, and who could do more studying to assure yourself of what is the truth. And even if we fail in finding all there is to know about the truth, God knows our hearts and knows you try hard despite imperfections.

Now go get a "gravatar" that shows your super-hero Un-Witnessing secret service logo. Uh, I dunno, something like a Holy Spirit representative dove pooping droppings on a Castle Watchtower. That about should do it. Or else use your imagination for something more personally meaningful.

With best regards and wishes for you in your new Mission (Possible).

--Oppo

P.S. you are now of the "conscious class" if you do believe that Jesus is the Christ (1 John 5:1) you're a child of God, and as such you should start partaking of the emblems. Seriously, dude!

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CHANNEL C FORUM DISCUSSES ANNULLING DISFELLOSHIPPINGS AND REINSTATING PRIVILEGES BY GETTING AROUND WTS ELDER'S BOOK POLICIES

by oppostate in

jw
friends

donny's heart-breaking posthttp://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/227658/1/just-venting-i-hate-the-societyabout his jw-elder son feeling he must abide by wt's latest crackdown on shunning df'ed family members reminded me about the following post at channel c forum that i "view" from time to time: .

<begin quote>: .

http://www.channelc.org/chcforum/forum/index.php?action=display&forumid=1&msgid=10083.

oppostate

Would anyone on JWN be willing to try out the

annullment of DF'ing by review committee?

Wouldn't it be nice if it were that simple?

Imagine throwing the WTS a curve when

it comes to enforcing shunning!

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OK, things are about to get messy....

by uk_ex_jw in

i have been operating as an ex-jw for over five years now.. i was never d/f or d/a - following an unsuccessful marriage to a jw and subsequent divorce, i went through quite an awful period of my life.. i was blocked from seeing my daughter by my ex-wife and her staunch jw family.. slowly my jw friends started pulling away as they didn't want to get involved.. i lost all interest in the organisation, and started to build a social circle outside of the faith.. at this point, my mother was still an active jw.. during that time, my mother wrote a letter to the bethel in london explaining to them what my ex-wife had done, and how she had been supported by her jw family.. the reply ; your son, and yourself need to work on your own spirituality.

jehovah will bless you as a result.. so that was it.. over the last 12 months, myself and my mother have spent a lot of time researching the organisation.

i gave her crisis of conscience which she has read, and now she is at the point where she doesn't believe that the organisation have the truth and hasn't been to a meeting in over a year.. yet, she has been hounded by elder's since this time.. one particular elder - imagine, the hitler-type elder who makes it his business to organise and dictate everyone's lives.

oppostate

@uk_ex_jw

Ok, this will put an end to the elder's calls to your Mom...

There was strict counsel to elders not to call sisters on the phone unless there was another elder on the line.

Have your Mom make a list of all the times (or approximations of times) when this elder called her.

Then have her call another elder in the congregation, ask him to put another elder on a conference call, of course mention

that it's a matter about reporting abuse and going beyond spiritual boundaries by the Stalker elder and

tell the two elders that the other elder has been calling repeatedly wanting to spend time on the phone with her

asking to come by and visit.

Now this is most important she needs to tell them (not ask them) to tell the elder never to call again or try to visit

or even approach her, or she will go to the CO, the DO and call the Branch and the local authorities with her

documented list of times he's tried to approach her by phone and other ways and that she wants this

stalking and persecution to stop. She is very traumatized by all this and if she has to she will consider getting

legal counsel, especially if anything is done to retaliate against her. She's to the point where she's considering

to sell her home and move away to get away from the harassment and continued unwanted calls from this

elder who has stepped outside the boundaries of spiritual appointed men. She should tell them that she has

proof (her list, but don't give any details nor mention it beyond saying proof that will hold up in a court of law

but she doesn't want to pursue criminal charges at this time, and of course bring reproach on Jehovah's name

by exposing this ongoing stalking and abuse of power, but if she receives a call from this elder or any other

elder tries to put pressure on her she will defend herself by means of secular law if she has to. Please, do

not call her again, if she needs spiritual support she will most definitely seek it and any unwanted calls will

only aggravate her level of disgust towards this elder's behavior and a disappointment with the entire body

of elders for not taking actions to stop the abuse. She should thank them for listening and not answer any

questions, but only say she's got to let someone know and that's why she called, please respect her request

and please do something about this rogue elder.

:-)

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CHANNEL C FORUM DISCUSSES ANNULLING DISFELLOSHIPPINGS AND REINSTATING PRIVILEGES BY GETTING AROUND WTS ELDER'S BOOK POLICIES

by oppostate in

jw
friends

donny's heart-breaking posthttp://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/227658/1/just-venting-i-hate-the-societyabout his jw-elder son feeling he must abide by wt's latest crackdown on shunning df'ed family members reminded me about the following post at channel c forum that i "view" from time to time: .

<begin quote>: .

http://www.channelc.org/chcforum/forum/index.php?action=display&forumid=1&msgid=10083.

oppostate

@Doubtingbro

I believe it would be very unlikely that this would work for someone who hasn't moved out of the circuit.
But for someone doing a fade and having moved away, the announcement in the congregation where their family attends might be just what they wished for.

@Balaamsass

Does anyone have these files of letters, forms, etc. that can be uploaded anew?
Most links on older threads are dead. Are any JWN members here into archiving these forms?

@Wannabefree

The Governing Body has no legal connection nor is it a legal entity that operates under any corporation since the changes in 2001.
Since they've "disassociated" themselves from any legal WT incorporated entity, how easy would it be to set up another un-incorporated and un-attached group that informs on the shannanigans of the Governing Body and it's fracass'ed moral leadership of the JW religion!

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CHANNEL C FORUM DISCUSSES ANNULLING DISFELLOSHIPPINGS AND REINSTATING PRIVILEGES BY GETTING AROUND WTS ELDER'S BOOK POLICIES

by oppostate in

jw
friends

donny's heart-breaking posthttp://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/227658/1/just-venting-i-hate-the-societyabout his jw-elder son feeling he must abide by wt's latest crackdown on shunning df'ed family members reminded me about the following post at channel c forum that i "view" from time to time: .

<begin quote>: .

http://www.channelc.org/chcforum/forum/index.php?action=display&forumid=1&msgid=10083.

oppostate

@mind blown

thanks, that brings another issue up. The annulling of baptisms. Does the new Elder's Book say anything about this?

And would a person who's baptism is annulled get an announcement different from not being one of Jehovah's Witnesses?

Back to the idea of reinstating DF'ed by committee review:

I would think that the idea of annulling DF'ings would be to counteract shunning, right?

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CHANNEL C FORUM DISCUSSES ANNULLING DISFELLOSHIPPINGS AND REINSTATING PRIVILEGES BY GETTING AROUND WTS ELDER'S BOOK POLICIES

by oppostate in

jw
friends

donny's heart-breaking posthttp://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/227658/1/just-venting-i-hate-the-societyabout his jw-elder son feeling he must abide by wt's latest crackdown on shunning df'ed family members reminded me about the following post at channel c forum that i "view" from time to time: .

<begin quote>: .

http://www.channelc.org/chcforum/forum/index.php?action=display&forumid=1&msgid=10083.

oppostate

Donny's heart-breaking post

http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/227658/1/Just-venting-I-hate-the-Society

about his JW-elder son feeling he must abide by WT's latest crackdown on shunning DF'ed family members reminded me about the following post at Channel C forum that I "view" from time to time:

<begin quote>:

http://www.channelc.org/ChCForum/forum/index.php?action=display&forumid=1&msgid=10083

Ok, I thought of this "tongue in cheek" and after realizing that I'd bit hard, and my tongue became sore, it transformed into a "why not?" idea... Your thoughts on this below are welcome:
=========
I've been reading the new elders book (a copy of which I'm willing to share with anyone here on ChannelC) concerning the DF'ing and reinstatement procedures.

It seems to me that a person may request to be reinstated, a committee is formed, and a decision is made, then a public announcement is made if the person is reinstated as one of Jehovah's Witnesses... All of which can be done according to the elders book, yet the decision rests with the reviewing committee, and what is there to hold us back from forming committees and annulling DF'ings and reinstating those who are clearly wrongly DF'ed.

(Note that it is easier to recall a DF'ing that was done on improper grounds than to reinstate someone who admits guilt and wishes to conform to Watchtower discipline procedures.)

So I propose we go about this tout de suite and take advantage of the wonderful provision of reinstatement by committee.

I volunteer as Committee Secretary to serve papers on any congregation informing them of a person's reinstatement as one of Jehovah's Witnesses.

Personally I can see the first case before such a Committee to be the DF'ing of Raymond Franz. I feel that given the information that we now have available out on public through the internet can serve as basis enough to recall the decision by the brothers who DF'ed Ray and reinstate the brother publicly online... starting with an entry on Wikipedia and posting it all through the Witness Forums and ex-JW forums out-there in the cloud.

So what do you think? Anyone up for serving on a reinstatement committee?

oppostate

Posts by oppostate

There's a good likely candidate list to choose from at:

Would anyone on JWN be willing to try out the

annullment of DF'ing by review committee?

Wouldn't it be nice if it were that simple?

Imagine throwing the WTS a curve when

it comes to enforcing shunning!

I believe it would be very unlikely that this would work for someone who hasn't moved out of the circuit.But for someone doing a fade and having moved away, the announcement in the congregation where their family attends might be just what they wished for.

Does anyone have these files of letters, forms, etc. that can be uploaded anew? Most links on older threads are dead. Are any JWN members here into archiving these forms?

thanks, that brings another issue up. The annulling of baptisms. Does the new Elder's Book say anything about this?

And would a person who's baptism is annulled get an announcement different from not being one of Jehovah's Witnesses?

I would think that the idea of annulling DF'ings would be to counteract shunning, right?

Donny's heart-breaking post

about his JW-elder son feeling he must abide by WT's latest crackdown on shunning DF'ed family members reminded me about the following post at Channel C forum that I "view" from time to time:

<begin quote>:

:<end quote>

Do you think this is feasable? Or are they just grasping at straws?

If you are DF'ed or DA'ed and being shunned would you consider

getting one of these reinstatement letters sent to the local KH?

I believe it would be very unlikely that this would work for someone who hasn't moved out of the circuit.
But for someone doing a fade and having moved away, the announcement in the congregation where their family attends might be just what they wished for.

Does anyone have these files of letters, forms, etc. that can be uploaded anew?
Most links on older threads are dead. Are any JWN members here into archiving these forms?