Here are some JW web sites that link info to the WTB&TS:
http://www.jwgift.org http://www.wtbts.org http://thirdwitness.com
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About Anonymous they are working on things as we speak!
by life is to short insoldier 77 just posted this about two hours ago but i think his post got lost is the great debate and straw mans that another posters was throwing around.. anyway i hope soldier 77 does not mind if i make a thread from his insight.
soldier 77 "this seems to have missed in the tangent argument going on: http://pastebin.com/3nitctlf.
anonymous are needing some more people on the inside to help.
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Watchtower.org Is Down - Is it Anonymous?
by DT ini've checked them on two different browsers.
jw.org is still up at the moment.
can anyone confirm?
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oppostate
www.sociedadetorredevigia.org.br means "society.of.tower.of.watching" in Portuguese
www.sociedadetorredevigia.org.br (linkback)
--> society of something divine ? why is Jehovah missing ?
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About Anonymous they are working on things as we speak!
by life is to short insoldier 77 just posted this about two hours ago but i think his post got lost is the great debate and straw mans that another posters was throwing around.. anyway i hope soldier 77 does not mind if i make a thread from his insight.
soldier 77 "this seems to have missed in the tangent argument going on: http://pastebin.com/3nitctlf.
anonymous are needing some more people on the inside to help.
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Thanks to Yknot for the exTJ news about the OSCE meeting and JW reps here's a few more email addresses for the kitty at twitter.
Can someone pass these on?
This information is available to the public on the PDF about the conference at the OSCE/ODHIR website.
NOTE: some of the branch emails have the country code before jw.org for example @fr.jw.org and @it.jw.org
Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe
NGO's
2 Administrative Centre of Jehovah's Witnesses, Russia ul. Srednyaya, bldg. 6, pos. Solnechnoye; 197739 St. Petersburg; Russian Federation Website: http://www.jw-media.org Mr. Sergey CHEREPANOV Deputy Chairman E-mail: [email protected] Tel: 812-432-95-50 Fax: 812-432-40-70
6 Association cultuelle des Temoins de Jehovah 11 rue de Seine; 92100 Boulogne Billancourt; France Mr. Jean-Claude PONS Secretary E-mail: [email protected] Tel: 2-32 25 55 55 Fax: 2-32 25 56 56
42 European Association of Jehovah's Christian Witnesses Rue d'Argile, 60; B-1950 Kraainem; Belgium Website: http://www.jw-media.org Mr. Paul GILLIES Press Officer E-mail: [email protected] Tel: 208-906 22 11 Fax: 208-906 39 38
79 Office of General Counsel for Jehovah's Witnesses 100 Watchtower Drive; Patterson, NY 12563; U.S.A. Mr. James ANDRIK Associate General Counsel E-mail: [email protected] Tel: 845-306 07 11 Fax: 845-306 07 09 -
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ABOVE THE UNIVERSE BELOW
by oppostate ini've just finished reading the novel "above the universe below" by elias barton.. http://www.amazon.com/above-the-universe-below-ebook/dp/b008cqgcug.
it very well portrays the relationships or non-relationships of jws with df'ed.
family members and it entwines the story within a parallel story-line that is .
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oppostate
I've just finished reading the novel "Above the Universe Below" by Elias Barton.
http://www.amazon.com/Above-the-Universe-Below-ebook/dp/B008CQGCUG
It very well portrays the relationships or non-relationships of JWs with DF'ed
family members and it entwines the story within a parallel story-line that is
both surreal and at the same time quite appealing in a SciFi & Fantasy way.
I was wondering if the author is an exJW and if he's a member of the JWD/JWN
community. In either case kudos on a very interesting read!
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Is the Governing Body overdue to make new appointments?
by cedars ini'm doing some research for a new blog article on the governing body.
it's in a question-and-answer or "faq" format, and attempts to give simple but well-founded answers to most questions that people could conceivably ask about the governing body.. one thing i noticed when looking at the history of the governing body is that we seem to be in the middle of a lengthy "dry spell" when it comes to making new appointments.. gerrit losch is currently the longest-serving member having been appointed in 1994. however, his appointment came at the end of a 17 year period in which no appointments were made.
this contrasts notably with the remarkable six-year period between 1971 and 1977 when 15 members were added.. since losch's appointment, 4 members were added in 1999 (herd, lett, pierce and splane) and 2 more recently in 2005 (morris and jackson).. the seven year spell since the last appointments were made has seen the deaths of barber, barr, jaracz, shroeder and sydlik - cutting the number of governing body members almost in half.
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oppostate
There's a good likely candidate list to choose from at:
http://www.pcsgraphics.net/jwtalks/COVisits/DOCOVisits.html
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Skype vs. all the rest
by Open mind inthinking about trying out video chat.
any experiences?.
om.
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oppostate
RBIH said " i will say, the android skype is rather terrible. for some stupid reason, it only uses speakerphone and they still haven't fixed that bug."
Since Microsoft bought Skype I'd say that it's unlikely they're very excited about fixing any Skype bugs on Android, maybe even bugging it on purpose ;-) They should change their name to Monopolysoft and be more upfront. Heh heh!
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Hardest most awkward parts of being mentally out but physically in
by BU2B ini am still physically in but am completely out mentally.. i was curious for those who spent some time in the borg while being mentally out or are still in that position, what is the worst, hardest or most awkward parts... for me i intensly dislike attending the meetings however its bearable as i can just let my mind wander, but field service is awful.
i cannot try to bring someone in to a group that i am trying to plot a way out of.
so now i try my best to either spend the day driving around to others fruitless rv's (we have somewhat rural territory) or eating out at an extended breakfast or if door to door cannot be avoided, i try to work alone and not ring bells.
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@justmom
He doesn't have to feel like a hypocrite.
He can feel like an undercover "Jehovah's Un-Witness."
He can, while feeling trapped inside the WT religion, work towards getting others to realize "the truth about The Truth(R)" (TTATT).
@BU2B
First step is to get another email address for this purpose. Then gather all your Witness friends' emails, as many as you can.
Continue sly as a snake and guiltless as a dove, but as a dove with massive droppings, and yes, you aim to s**t all over the WT teachings.
Starting with the teaching about the WT Society not being inspired (get info at jwfacts) and comparing to the Bible which most Christians believe is indeed inspired.
Then expose the lessons you can learn from works like Crisis of Conscience by Ray Franz, and Captives of a Concept by Don Cameron...
Also useful are Winning the Witnesses by Daniel Rodriguez, and Joe Winter's Jehovah's Witnesses: Help for Those Seeking Truth.
Start a surreptitious email witnessing service to awaken others to TTATT. Careful with your IP address. Reset your Cable Modem before and afer each session.
And the best part is, you'll count your time while doing un-witnessing work.
While in service or associating after meetings if caught and put on the spot, say something like "I do believe a 'Jehovah's Witness(R)' has to believe fully in the 'Governing Body(R)'" Any such double talk is fine, because you know what you mean, but they think they heard something else they believe.
If asked whether you believe fully, say that you are just a man, an imperfect man who tries hard to learn the real truth and nothing but the truth, and who could do more studying to assure yourself of what is the truth. And even if we fail in finding all there is to know about the truth, God knows our hearts and knows you try hard despite imperfections.
Now go get a "gravatar" that shows your super-hero Un-Witnessing secret service logo. Uh, I dunno, something like a Holy Spirit representative dove pooping droppings on a Castle Watchtower. That about should do it. Or else use your imagination for something more personally meaningful.
With best regards and wishes for you in your new Mission (Possible).
--Oppo
P.S. you are now of the "conscious class" if you do believe that Jesus is the Christ (1 John 5:1) you're a child of God, and as such you should start partaking of the emblems. Seriously, dude!
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CHANNEL C FORUM DISCUSSES ANNULLING DISFELLOSHIPPINGS AND REINSTATING PRIVILEGES BY GETTING AROUND WTS ELDER'S BOOK POLICIES
by oppostate indonny's heart-breaking posthttp://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/227658/1/just-venting-i-hate-the-societyabout his jw-elder son feeling he must abide by wt's latest crackdown on shunning df'ed family members reminded me about the following post at channel c forum that i "view" from time to time: .
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http://www.channelc.org/chcforum/forum/index.php?action=display&forumid=1&msgid=10083.
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Would anyone on JWN be willing to try out the
annullment of DF'ing by review committee?
Wouldn't it be nice if it were that simple?
Imagine throwing the WTS a curve when
it comes to enforcing shunning!
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OK, things are about to get messy....
by uk_ex_jw ini have been operating as an ex-jw for over five years now.. i was never d/f or d/a - following an unsuccessful marriage to a jw and subsequent divorce, i went through quite an awful period of my life.. i was blocked from seeing my daughter by my ex-wife and her staunch jw family.. slowly my jw friends started pulling away as they didn't want to get involved.. i lost all interest in the organisation, and started to build a social circle outside of the faith.. at this point, my mother was still an active jw.. during that time, my mother wrote a letter to the bethel in london explaining to them what my ex-wife had done, and how she had been supported by her jw family.. the reply ; your son, and yourself need to work on your own spirituality.
jehovah will bless you as a result.. so that was it.. over the last 12 months, myself and my mother have spent a lot of time researching the organisation.
i gave her crisis of conscience which she has read, and now she is at the point where she doesn't believe that the organisation have the truth and hasn't been to a meeting in over a year.. yet, she has been hounded by elder's since this time.. one particular elder - imagine, the hitler-type elder who makes it his business to organise and dictate everyone's lives.
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Ok, this will put an end to the elder's calls to your Mom...
There was strict counsel to elders not to call sisters on the phone unless there was another elder on the line.
Have your Mom make a list of all the times (or approximations of times) when this elder called her.
Then have her call another elder in the congregation, ask him to put another elder on a conference call, of course mention
that it's a matter about reporting abuse and going beyond spiritual boundaries by the Stalker elder and
tell the two elders that the other elder has been calling repeatedly wanting to spend time on the phone with her
asking to come by and visit.
Now this is most important she needs to tell them (not ask them) to tell the elder never to call again or try to visit
or even approach her, or she will go to the CO, the DO and call the Branch and the local authorities with her
documented list of times he's tried to approach her by phone and other ways and that she wants this
stalking and persecution to stop. She is very traumatized by all this and if she has to she will consider getting
legal counsel, especially if anything is done to retaliate against her. She's to the point where she's considering
to sell her home and move away to get away from the harassment and continued unwanted calls from this
elder who has stepped outside the boundaries of spiritual appointed men. She should tell them that she has
proof (her list, but don't give any details nor mention it beyond saying proof that will hold up in a court of law
but she doesn't want to pursue criminal charges at this time, and of course bring reproach on Jehovah's name
by exposing this ongoing stalking and abuse of power, but if she receives a call from this elder or any other
elder tries to put pressure on her she will defend herself by means of secular law if she has to. Please, do
not call her again, if she needs spiritual support she will most definitely seek it and any unwanted calls will
only aggravate her level of disgust towards this elder's behavior and a disappointment with the entire body
of elders for not taking actions to stop the abuse. She should thank them for listening and not answer any
questions, but only say she's got to let someone know and that's why she called, please respect her request
and please do something about this rogue elder.
:-)
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CHANNEL C FORUM DISCUSSES ANNULLING DISFELLOSHIPPINGS AND REINSTATING PRIVILEGES BY GETTING AROUND WTS ELDER'S BOOK POLICIES
by oppostate indonny's heart-breaking posthttp://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/227658/1/just-venting-i-hate-the-societyabout his jw-elder son feeling he must abide by wt's latest crackdown on shunning df'ed family members reminded me about the following post at channel c forum that i "view" from time to time: .
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http://www.channelc.org/chcforum/forum/index.php?action=display&forumid=1&msgid=10083.
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@Doubtingbro
I believe it would be very unlikely that this would work for someone who hasn't moved out of the circuit.
But for someone doing a fade and having moved away, the announcement in the congregation where their family attends might be just what they wished for.@Balaamsass
Does anyone have these files of letters, forms, etc. that can be uploaded anew?
Most links on older threads are dead. Are any JWN members here into archiving these forms?@Wannabefree
The Governing Body has no legal connection nor is it a legal entity that operates under any corporation since the changes in 2001.
Since they've "disassociated" themselves from any legal WT incorporated entity, how easy would it be to set up another un-incorporated and un-attached group that informs on the shannanigans of the Governing Body and it's fracass'ed moral leadership of the JW religion!
