Posts by oppostate

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James Penton

by Hold Me-Thrill Me in

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friends

james penton is he still alive?

my wife left me his book but i've not found anything else on him.

does he post somewhere?.

I very much enjoyed meeting Jim and Marylin at the Christian Believers' Conference in Wenham,MA at Gordon College. These conferences are very upbuilding in my opinion and JW's and exJW's are very welcome there.

It's been a tough few years and many dear friends have passed away, Ray's generation, I guess.

Marylin, Jim's wife just passed last year as Vanderhoven7 said. Rose from ChannelC discussions also passed away and I've lost contact with many good and dear brothers and sisters who used to chat at ChannelC forum.

The last Christian Believers' Conference where I met with Jim and Gord, we talked about starting up a Commentary Press like entity which would keep Ray's books and other materials in print to help JW's break the chains to the WT. We talked about calling it Quest Press, reminiscent of Ron Frye's My Christian Quest.

I'd like to attend the CB Conference once again, it would be great to meet with folks who are interested in a WT/Bible Students reform movement.

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Dawn Bible Students Association and Ken Fernets

by Hold Me-Thrill Me in

jw
friends

the dawn bible students association has a problem.

ken fernets, when on the phone, shows his true colors to women who call.

he engages in flirtatious speech.

oppostate

There are brothers in the Watchtower and among the Bible Students who would hope to keep the best of both- Soldering them together.

Okay, Frank.

I count myself in the group who would like a reformation of the WT/Bible Students movement in the manner of what happened with Armstrong's Worldwide Church of God. Those folks threw out all the crazy speculations and aberrations of Christian doctrine and are still around.

If the WT is to remain "around," I'd like to see a big change towards a more Christian doctrine and practice.

So let's start a discussion of what you've discussed with Bethelites, other JW pub's and Bible Students. I'll share some of my experiences. I'd rather have the discussion in this thread, with input from those who are interested in this part of the OP and not so much on the personal behavior of the hierarchy of both religions.

Or, if you'd like we can continue this discussion through a PM (just click on your username on top for PMs).

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Candace Conti Case

by truthseekeriam in

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filed:.

letter dated june 22, 2015, notifying the court that petitioners, watchtower and fremont congregation have reached a settlement with respondent, conti.. .

click here to request automatic e-mail notifications about this case..

oppostate

I'm very glad for Candace! I also hope she can have a happy and fruitful life.

What are the results in the case? Anyone here care to give us the rundown on the particulars of how much this case will set the WT back?

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Dawn Bible Students Association and Ken Fernets

by Hold Me-Thrill Me in

jw
friends

the dawn bible students association has a problem.

ken fernets, when on the phone, shows his true colors to women who call.

he engages in flirtatious speech.

oppostate

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a5/Development_of_Bible_Students.svg

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Dawn Bible Students Association and Ken Fernets

by Hold Me-Thrill Me in

jw
friends

the dawn bible students association has a problem.

ken fernets, when on the phone, shows his true colors to women who call.

he engages in flirtatious speech.

oppostate

The Dawn ( http://www.dawnbible.com/ ) Bible Students Association is as cultish as the WT. In my experience.

The Bible Students have quite a few different offshoots depending on when they separated from the WT.
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/62324/daughters-tower?page=1

In my estimation from having attended a few of their conventions is that the Berean Bible Students and those of the New Covenant Bible Student offshoot seem the most un-cultish.

You can tell the difference plainly between two congregations in Chigago,

the Russell following Chicago Bible Students http://chicagobible.org/

and the non-Russell following Berean Bible Students http://www.bbschurch.org/

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Need a good laugh?

by FadeToBlack in

if you could use a good laugh please have a look at page 7 of the july 2015 awake.

my wife leaves the latest issues on my pillow when she gets back from her meetings.

i often scan through them looking for nonsense.

oppostate

This person on the canoe is being very unsafe.

Instead of a power-red-tie he should be wearing a life-vest or some sort of flotation device (maybe even featuring a JWorg logo on it).

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The Confederate Flag

by Simon in

the latest controversy over the confederate flag just sums up to me the state of dysfunction that exists in american society.. in summary: a white supremacist nutter shoots 9 black people dead in a church.

he's clearly inspired by the messages of others which the confederate flag is often a symbol of.. it seems like a no-brainer to remove it.

not only isn't it removed, it isn't even lowered at all as a mark of respect.. and of course now there are the people who want to defend their right to have it.

oppostate

Simon, just tell us how you really feel.

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Bethel Meeting at Regional Convention

by MrTheocratic in

i decided to go to the bethel recruiting meeting yesterday to test out my theory that the organization is in decline.

i assumed that if there is a general feeling of apathy by many in the org, then certainly it would be shown up by the lack of enthusiasm or zeal by many to sign up for bethel service.

well let me say that based on what i observed, this organization is not going anywhere.

oppostate

If Scientology can survive, how will the WTS not do so?

The appeal to disaffected folks in society will be the same if not stronger in the future, I think. The WT religion has had 100+ years of refining their recruiting techniques and their controlling practices.

But they know they need to change with the times. So far they've been quite adept at changing doctrine to fit their needs.

The JW,org flashy enticement is a way to reach out to the next generation, the tech savvy, smart-phone-in-hand crowd.

The older generation is passing away (and so is it's desires of living forever in a paradise earth without having to die). The WT is moving on and leaving these folks behind.

My feeling is it will definitely be (and already shows signs to be) a different WT religion--more techy, more flashy, less demanding of Bible knowledge and more loyal to the hierarchy.

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BORG running low on $$$??

by fader77 in

dear brothers:.

re: personal literature supply.

reducing existing stock at the branch office before the revisions are released.

oppostate

What they seem to object to is current publishers having in their personal libraries the books that may remind them how WT doctrine is as fleeting as a fart that after all the noisy hoopla that accompanies it, it makes a big stink and blows this way and that and nobody wants it. Except you force others to put up with the stench. That's how old WT literature is.

Since...

It's obviously ok for publishers to place old publications, even those including outdated doctrines, with the public. Countless times the KM's would run a monthly campaign to place "old 192 page books" still in stock in the literature counters, even 1960's books that delved into Ezekiel, Daniel, and Revelations we would be encouraged to place in service although much of this information was seen as "old light" and no longer part of official doctrine.

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W 15 july - members of others religions not destroyed???

by paradisebeauty in

please tell me what do you understand from this quote that is taken from w july 2015, the article your deliverance is close paragraph 5.. i understand that not all members of other religions will be destroyed at armageddon.

i talked to a jw.

he says he understands differently: they will not be destroyed when the babylon the great will be destroyed but they will be destroyed in armageddon.

oppostate

No. Many millions who lived in centuries past and who weren’t Jehovah’s Witnesses will have an opportunity for salvation.

CO Scotty Henry took great delight in asking the group meeting for field service if the WT answer in question about others than JW's surviving the Big A included people who are currently living. The Answer was NO, he pointed out the wording savoring the double speak. He loved pointing out how the WT gave such a "clever" answer.

Too bad for the householders that refused taking the literature, and said no to the Organization. In his explanation they had it coming for ignoring the WT.

What a WT tool this little man full of theocratic theatrics really is!