Posts by grewupjw1969

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For born ins- what tipped you off it was wrong

by teela(2) in

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at a young age i remember watching tv and commenting why is the red cross always helping people and we don't.

the second big one is if the witnesses only started up in 1890 - 1900 did jehovah not have anyone else doing the preaching work?.

as a child i don't think we think about theological problems so what tipped you off?

Ex JW to be on 700 club this week...

by awildflower in

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just happen to catch this on tv.

his interview will be on thursday for those interested.. .

http://www.cbn.com/700club/features/amazing/daniel_morales020910.aspx.

The Nephilim, who were they and are their descendants among us?

by The Finger in

Question: "Who / what were the Nephilim?"

Answer: The Nephilim (“fallen ones, giants”) were the offspring of sexual relationships between the sons of God and daughters of men in Genesis 6:1-4 . There is much debate as to the identity of the “sons of God.” It is our contention that the “sons of God” were fallen angels (demons) who mated with human females and/or possessed human males and then mated with human females. These unions resulted in offspring, the Nephilim, that were “heroes of old, men of renown” ( Genesis 6:4 ).

Why would the demons do such a thing? The Bible does not specifically give us the answer. The demons are evil, twisted beings—so nothing they do should surprise us. As to a distinct motivation, the best speculation is that the demons were attempting to pollute the human blood line in order to prevent the coming of the Messiah, Jesus Christ. God had promised that a Messiah would come from the line of Eve ( Genesis 3:15 ) who would crush the head of the serpent, Satan. So, the demons were possibly attempting to prevent this by polluting the human bloodline, making it impossible for a sinless Messiah to one day be born. Again, this is not a specifically biblical answer, but it is plausible and not in contradiction to anything the Bible teaches.

What were the Nephilim? According to Hebraic and other legends (the Book of Enoch and other non-biblical writings), they were a race of giants and super-heroes who did acts of great evil. Their great size and power likely came from the mixture of demonic “DNA” with human genetics. All that the Bible directly says about them is that they were “heroes of old, men of renown” ( Genesis 6:4 ). The Nephilim were not aliens, they were literal, physical beings produced from the union of the sons of God and daughters of men ( Genesis 6:1-4 ).

What happened to the Nephilim? The Nephilim were one of the primary reasons for the great flood in Noah's time. Immediately after the Nephilim are mentioned, God's Word tells us this: “The LORD saw how great man's wickedness on the earth had become, and that every inclination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil all the time. The LORD was grieved that he had made man on the earth, and his heart was filled with pain. So the LORD said, ‘I will wipe mankind, whom I have created, from the face of the earth—men and animals, and creatures that move along the ground, and birds of the air—for I am grieved that I have made them’” ( Genesis 6:5-7 ). So, God proceeded to flood the entire earth, killing everyone and everything (including the Nephilim) other than Noah and his family and the animals on the ark ( Genesis 6:11-22 ).

Were there Nephilim after the flood? Genesis 6:4 tells us, “The Nephilim were on the earth in those days — and also afterward.” It seems that the demons repeated their sin sometime after the flood as well. However, it likely took place to a much lesser extent than it did prior to the flood. When the Israelites spied out the land of Canaan, they reported back to Moses: “We saw the Nephilim there (the descendants of Anak come from the Nephilim). We seemed like grasshoppers in our own eyes, and we looked the same to them” ( Numbers 13:33 ). Now, this passage does not specifically say that the Nephilim were genuinely there, only that the spies thought they saw the Nephilim. It is more likely that the spies witnessed very large people in Canaan and mistakenly believed them to be the Nephilim. Or, it is possible that after the flood the demons again mated with human females, producing more Nephilim. Whatever the case, these “giants” were destroyed by the Israelites during their invasion of Canaan ( Joshua 11:21-22 ) and later in their history ( Deuteronomy 3:11 ; 1 Samuel 17).

What prevents the demons from producing more Nephilim today? It seems that God put an end to demons mating with humans by placing all the demons who committed such an act in the Abyss. Jude verse 6 tells us, “And the angels who did not keep their positions of authority but abandoned their own home—these he has kept in darkness, bound with everlasting chains for judgment on the great Day.” Obviously, not all of the demons are in “prison” today, so there must have been a group of demons who committed further grievous sin beyond the original fall. Presumably, the demons who mated with human females are the ones who are “bound with everlasting chains.” This would prevent any more demons from attempting such an act.

Recommended Resource: Angels: Elect & Evil by C. Fred Dickason.

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WORLDS APART MOVIE ON AT 3PM EAST COAST ON SUNDANCE CHANNEL

by whereami in

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very good jw movie.

you might want to dvr it..

grewupjw1969

It's coming on again at 7:15am wed morning, just set my DVR

Grewup

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I'm new here

by Diamonds in

i stumbled across this website a few months back and have often read the topics posted but this is the first time that i've posted anything myself.. all my family are jws - i got baptized when i was 17 but started to fade when i was about 20 and finally left at 22 when i managed to escape to university and move away from home.

ten years on and i am still out of the org but never disfellowshipped (although i would have been if they'd have known what i've been up to!).

the relationship with my family is not great - i get on with some members better than others.

grewupjw1969

Welcome!!!!

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More "sex texting" on Facebook...Circuit Assembly

by dudeson in

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so my congregation just had their circuit assembly on 3/14.

recalling the thread about "facebook sex", i told a non-witness friend at work that after this assembly is over he would notice one of our mutual friends would either lower his time on fb or delete it altogether.

sure enough, come sunday night, his profile was gone.

grewupjw1969

It has been discussed on JWN that if a jw is on the phone talking to someone about sex and masturbating that they could be df'd....I wonder if people are texting sex talk and masturbating it applies too?

Good thing I was never baptized...lol

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Question From Readers reveals dependent state of JWs

by sd-7 in

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just consider some of the questions i found, not worrying about the responses:.

***w50 12/1 p.496 questions from readers***.

in view of what deuteronomy 4:15-23 has to say about the making of any graven image, would it be considered scripturally correct.

grewupjw1969

I never beleived that this questions were really from readers.

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Would You Like WatchTower Better if They Open a Soup Kitchen or Charity Thrift Store?

by cameo-d in

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i see over and over so many times jws and x-jws alike complaining about wt's lack of charity work.

it almost seems to imply that wt would be an ok religion if only they opened a soup kitchen or had some charity pet project.. do you really think that a food bank would reconcile all of the sins of that organization?.

would you be more inclined to accept wt teachings if only they would do something to help "needy people"?.

grewupjw1969

Not sure if I'd like them anymore or less but it would make them look better to others. I can remember my mom being afraid to go into Salvation Army resale shops. Someting about the items being demonized...lol. I guess if they opened up a resale shop it world be ok..

Grewup

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Youtube on Birthdays

by OnTheWayOut in

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this one does a great job:.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ge7hvd9zazu.

grewupjw1969

Thanks....Very informative.

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As You've Gotten Older Have You Changed Your Thoughts On Marriage?

by minimus in

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many witnesses got married at a young age (because they felt they had to).

you can't sin, right?.

some people get married and for years, are very happy.

grewupjw1969

I seriously believe that being raised a JW can affect your decisions about marriage, in a negative way.

My marriage was affected evnen though I didn't marry a JW. I saw what I thought was a happy marriage between my parents but in actuallity(?) it wasn't. My mother was very unhappy. I saw her put up with certain things and thouht that this was what a wife was supposed to do. Not until I was married for sometime did I finally realize that a husband should love his wife the Jesus loved the church. It took alot for me to leave because of the no divorce thing among JW's, but I did and couldn't be happier now.

Grewup