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  Today's WT Study Stupidity About Df'ing

  by metatron in

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  in today's watchtower study, towards the end, you had one of those typical comments by a former df'ed witness expressing appreciation for being shunned.

  these comments always remind me of a stalinist show trial in which the accused enthusiastically accepts being executed for the greater good (probably to save his family).. after this kind of nonsense is expressed, you will get a flurry of self righteous comments emphasizing how important it is to shun your disfellowshipped relatives, so that they can come back in the "truth".. oh, really?

  do any of these people raising their hand realize that, if the "success" of disfellowshipping depends on your shunning, then the "repentant" person is "coming back in the truth" for the sake of their relatives -and not because of fearing jehovah !!!???.

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  pirata

  Once again the Watchtower writers miss one of the key points in their "support scripture" of 1 Corinthians 5:9-13:

  (1 Corinthians 5:9-13) 9 In my letter I wrote YOU to quit mixing in company with fornicators, 10 not [meaning] entirely with the fornicators of this world or the greedy persons and extortioners or idolaters. Otherwise, YOU would actually have to get out of the world.

  11 But now I am writing YOU to quit mixing in company with anyone called a brother that is a fornicator or a greedy person or an idolater or a reviler or a drunkard or an extortioner, not even eating with such a man. 12 For what do I have to do with judging those outside? Do YOU not judge those inside, 13 while God judges those outside? “Remove the wicked [man] from among yourselves.”

  vs 9,10 applies to those OUTSIDE the Christian congregation vs 11-12 applies to actively sinning Christians

  Once you remove the "brother" from the congregation, they are no longer "called a brother", and should be treated as do the "worldly" people in vs 9 and 10.
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  i just want to rant a little here! upset better then punching a person!

  by Snowboarder in

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  2. friends

  well to tell everyone shortly and simple like rubbish!

  the 2 elders that were nice moved out and they were extremely friends and they saw that i had a hard time fitting me.

  but the other elders are proud and stuffed up i don't go out of the way as i used to, why should i go out my way to say hello and how are you to someone that does not want to talk to me, they have such dumb reason we are busy with theocratic stuff, ya right like every meeting for the past 2 years i been in the hall you never had a chance.

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  pirata

  I saw from another thread that you're planning to go to university. Good for you! Things will be better when you can be independent.

  If you hate service so much, can you stop pioneering? You can still be regular in the ministry each week if you want/need to.

  I don't mind service too much because the people in my hall are almost all nice to be with. But in my old hall there was this one older brother who was really cranky rude and mean to his wife, and always knocked on the door, then made you take the door, but didn't tell you ahead of time. I used to dread working with him, but I'd always get assigned with him. Another older brother was a really bad driver, but I didn't know that so I went with him in service. He braked in front of a semi doing 70km/h down a hill. the semi swerved and missed us by a few inches. I could have been dead and never let him drive again.

  Gay JWs usually hide it, and sometimes even get married to hide it.
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  i just want to rant a little here! upset better then punching a person!

  by Snowboarder in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  well to tell everyone shortly and simple like rubbish!

  the 2 elders that were nice moved out and they were extremely friends and they saw that i had a hard time fitting me.

  but the other elders are proud and stuffed up i don't go out of the way as i used to, why should i go out my way to say hello and how are you to someone that does not want to talk to me, they have such dumb reason we are busy with theocratic stuff, ya right like every meeting for the past 2 years i been in the hall you never had a chance.

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  pirata

  Ask Elder #1 if he's gay because he's always taking about gays.
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  New Light @ The 2011 District Convention

  by dontplaceliterature in

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  2. beliefs

  " at the bottom of the image on the back of the invitation raises some eyebrows, but last night in the routine district convention article during the service meeting, i caught that one of the paragraphs mentioned that we would be encouraged to keep a copy of the tract in hand for a discussion during sunday's last talk.

  my guess is, there is going to be some new revelation about what the "?

  " represents, or some other fangled idea.

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  Maybe they put a "?" there because they don't know what it means (?)
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  New Light @ The 2011 District Convention

  by dontplaceliterature in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  " at the bottom of the image on the back of the invitation raises some eyebrows, but last night in the routine district convention article during the service meeting, i caught that one of the paragraphs mentioned that we would be encouraged to keep a copy of the tract in hand for a discussion during sunday's last talk.

  my guess is, there is going to be some new revelation about what the "?

  " represents, or some other fangled idea.

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  I recently watched the video "The New World Society In Action".

  One of the scense showed Fred Franz at a large International District Convention in the 50s. The narrator said that he had just explained how some developments with the King of the North showed how close Armageddon was (or substance thereof).
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  How Did Your JW Wife or Husband Leave You?

  by new boy in

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  2. experiences

  inspiried by other post and threads....and the love to type.. after going from being a self rightious pioneer and bethelite, to someone who had major doubts.my years drifted by me.

  i had been a watchtower slave for over 50 years.

  one day at a time, i sold my soul.

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  This is a damn depressing thread. I'm sorry to hear about what happened (Was) New Boy.
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  Can You Explain This? (Blood)

  by headisspinning in

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  2. beliefs

  i don't understand why the wt puts so much time and effort into informing people about the intricacies of blood transfusions and fractions, but they don't really focus attention on the dietary side of not eating blood.

  because it was clearly a dietary restriction in the bible and maybe not so clearly in regard to blood transfusions (i'm still pondering this part).. is that ever discussed with bible studies or prior to baptism?

  it seems to me that if the command to 'abstain from blood' is so important that people will put their life on the line over it, then shouldn't very clear direction be spelling out in detail about what foods are okay to eat and what foods aren't?

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  Nathan, excellent point. I'm adding Matthew 15:11 to my list.
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  Ezekiel 4:6 A Day for a year

  by donny in

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  2. bible

  when the folks who try to discern the end times often using different formulas to calculate the number of days but nearly all of them then "translate" the days into years by using this quote from ezekiel.

  what is the logic used to assume this statement had anything to do with the "days" and "times" mentioned in other books?.

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  As long as "a day for a year" and "a day is a thousand years", etc. makes Bible prophecy calculations work out to be in our contemporary time, people will use them. They have been for the past 2000 years.
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  What Draws You to a Poster?

  by snowbird in

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  for me, it's warmth and compassion, being approachable, and not looking down on anyone.. also, taking the time to acknowledge and interact with newbies.. i love those type of posters.. syl.

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  Respect for others. Sincerity.
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  Can You Explain This? (Blood)

  by headisspinning in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i don't understand why the wt puts so much time and effort into informing people about the intricacies of blood transfusions and fractions, but they don't really focus attention on the dietary side of not eating blood.

  because it was clearly a dietary restriction in the bible and maybe not so clearly in regard to blood transfusions (i'm still pondering this part).. is that ever discussed with bible studies or prior to baptism?

  it seems to me that if the command to 'abstain from blood' is so important that people will put their life on the line over it, then shouldn't very clear direction be spelling out in detail about what foods are okay to eat and what foods aren't?

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  You're welcome! It'll take a few hours to wade through the scriptures, but a much clearer picture emerges (at least for me) after doing that.