continuing onward into chapter two (as directed by the boe ltr dated aug 23, 2010) of "shepherding the flock of god" a publication by the non profit organizatin known as the wts of penn & ny as part of their for donation only bible educational work.. for those of interested in chapter one discussion please see: http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/200524/1/ks10-chapter-one-discussion.
chapter two discusses the various titles within the boe.. subtitles are:.
2) elder's meetings.
Are you sure this is the full version of the book?
Among the duties for Congregation Secretary I don't see any bullet points for:
could alex do?
he might lovingly approach.
steve again and lay bare his fault.
Pleasing our greatest Friend, Jehovah, is always the right thing to do. When we put him first, others who love him will respect us for our loyalty and become true friends.
So I get it now. I keep a close eye out for the failings of my brothers. When I see any transgression, perhaps his failure to walk out of a movie because there's some bonking in it, or he got really pissed and stupid when I was round at his place one night with a few beers, I inform the elders to show I am putting Jehovah first. The wrongdoer get counseled, reproved or possibly disfellowshipped. When my brothers in the congregation see that I helped keep the congregation clean by informing the elders, their respect for me grows and they become my true friends.
This is an organization I want to be part of.
And let's face it. Jehovah sees all, right? He knows my brother got a bit of a woody watching that movie, or got so smashed on those beers that his prayer before our meal was a bit wobbly and rambling. Now Jehovah can't tell the elders, can he? He's using me, correct? I am God's eyes and ears. I must do this more often. Possibly there are more of my brothers erring. Respect for me within the congregation must surely grow.
*** w94 12/15 pp.
3-4 what does christmas mean to you?
what does christmas mean to you?.
James Penton in Apocalypse Delayed noted: "Numerous Witnesses who have visited the Writing Department at Brooklyn report that very often they have seen Watchtower writers research material for new articles by going back through old volumes of the society's official journal published in the 1920s and 1930s." (p.232).
I became tired of attending meetings and conventions that recycled the same old material and gave up reading the magazines because it was the same old tripe. When I did go out to offer them, more than often I was asking them to take magazines I had no intention of reading myself.
i am looking for some sort of quote to show the kids that its ok to investigate their own religion.
something from a recent book or watchtower would be great!.
like... nothing to fear, we have nothing to hide, truth can stand investigation, make sure of it foryourself sort of thing i guess!.
The Truth That Leads to Eternal Life (1981):
| “ | We need to examine, not only what we personally believe, but also what is taught by any religious organization with which we may be associated. Are its teachings in full harmony with God’s Word, or are they based on the traditions of men? If we are lovers of the truth, there is nothing to fear from such an examination. |
okay, i wanted to know more about the jws, so i went to the website and filled in my name and other info.
i was finally contacted, set up an appointment and visited.
the first two people came and they were nice, but one of the fellows looked uptight and avoided eye contact.
My guess is that they went and sat in their car for an hour or so with furrowed brows and eventually decided that you weren't really searching and weren't really deserving. They probably guessed you wouldn't be convinced easily and figured they'd just end up becoming frustrated by not winning you over. If you're raising questions they've never considered before, the problem for them is they have only one "research" source they're allowed to turn to. If the Watchtower has never addressed your points, it all becomes just too hard.
this is from the november 2010 kingdom ministry pages 5 and 6;.
it is a 20 minute item on how members of the congregation should assist unbelieving mates!.
http://www.box.net/shared/mzjkpiijgj.
Does anyone know whether the article in a UK OKM will be appearing simultaneously in other "lands"? I have a friend in New Zealand who is an "Unbelieving Mate" (or, strictly speaking, Formerly Believing Mate). She has warned her husband that if she ever hears he has appeared on stage at an assembly giving an experience about living with a UBM (and the usual "encouraging" comments about his struggle for the truth despite her opposition) she'll leave.
So I'm curious about whether the same article will also appear in Australia and NZ. For her, forewarned is forearmed.
another wonderful part this week at the meeting.
and this is what the brother said.. he related examples, based on the om book, as to how jehovah kept records.
funny part is, they all applied to population, the amount of people.. is there any part of the bible that talks about how jehovah kept a log of hours on some occasion?
Anyone seen the range of iPhone apps for counting time witnessing? Some lame-arse JWs have been putting rave reviews on them about how it is helped them simply their life by ... wait for it ... noting down their hours and placements instead of that much more time-consuming process of writing it down on a piece of paper. Some other moron expressed his concern about whether "the brothers" approved of such thing and suggested others "research" the matter or ask their elders!
It is just such an offensive concept. Could they imagine Jesus keeping a tally of the number of people who listened to him and writing down the number of hours and minutes he spent "in the work"? If the Governing Body decided it was no longer obligatory to turn in reports, I'll bet JWs' devotion to witnessing would evaporate pretty quickly.
does anyone see this happening: the jw's breaking off from the wtbts, when they realize that a lot of the teachings arent true?.
The chances of another schism are approximately zero. The power structure is so entrenched from top to bottom, with careful scrutiny from circuit overseers and local elders, that rank and file Witnesses have no way of creating power blocs that could possibly challenge the existing authority structure.
thus proclaims the quietly un-annointed governing class of the watchtower and bible tract society, passing as truth.
(watchtower july 15, 2010, page 23, paragraph 10).
this paragraph about the governing body follows a description of the annointed class, a classic bait-and-switch.
I think it's fascinating that God beams his new light only to the "representatives" of the slave class who live in Brooklyn. Wouldn't that make the other 10,000-odd anointed feel kind of ... left out?
i was looking at brotherdan's thread about the two articles that really point out in the wtbs's own words that we must follow this organization, blah blah, and they are indeed a cult from reading those articles.
it made me think that i would love to show my mom and sister that, but i know the response would be "so what, that is a 40 year old magazine," it was dated 1969, and 1983 was the other article i believe.. are the jw's i know the only ones who poo poo older articles and say that thinking isn't up to date anymore, that new thinking has superceded those new articles?
even though we know that the overall thinking is the same.
The same discussion has taken place recently on the talk pges of the JW articles at Wikipedia. One dub keeps saying articles from 1950 and 1974 that refer to the WTS as a "prophet organization", chosen by God to warn the world, are "outdated". But if articles are outdated, why has the GB not updated them or repudiated them? Why have they not removed them from WT CD-roms in the same way that Russell's and Rutherford's books have been allowed to go out of print? It's just as Neverendingjourney explains: cognitive dissonance. They'll take any route to avoid facing hard facts.
