I am a band geek and proud! It's funny, the only reason my mom let me be in band is because it was mandatory for music department students. I would've gotten an F in concert band if I wasn't in marching band. I kind of felt like a normal kid being able to go to the football games!
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DRUMLINE.....any band geeks here?
by LDH inok, i'll admit it.
i've seen it twice, and i'm going to see it again saturday.. i even take my daughter and her friends as cover (lol).. some of you know my daughter is on the drumline at her school, and next year she'll be stepping up to the big time as she joins a nationally ranked marching band in the area.
she happens to play snare drum, which is the instrument featured in the movie and damn she is good.
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How do I tell my family I'm no longer a JW?
by YellowLab inthis subject has bothered me for 5 years now.. eventually the day will come where i'll need to tell my folks i'm no longer a jw.
my oldest son (who is 3) is getting to the age where he talks about everything from birthday cakes to christmas trees.
we were able to get away with birthdays and holidays so far, but now is becoming increasingly difficult to stop him from talking about them when the family's around.. should i write a letter?
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I think that by the time I actually told my family, they already knew. I have little children that love singing Christmas carols, and sharing what they got on their birthdays. At first, my family assumed that my husband (who was never a JW) did these things for them.
They figured it out when I refused their invitations to the memorial and circuit assemblies and district conventions. Eventually, I got tired of being evasive. I was like, 'I'm an adult and this is my life, dangit!' I told my grandmother and mom that I attend church, and after screaming and ranting about me being an apostate they pretty much let it go. I have a couple of family members that choose to practice shunning, however, I didn't like them much to begin with!
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Al Sharpton Runs For President !!!!!!
by minimus inthe reverend al sharpton announced that he is running for president.
can you imagine him beating bush?
not me.
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jesussaves
As much as I would like to see an African American in office, I don't think I could ever vote for Mr. Al Sharpton. A perfect example of his asinine agenda was his supporting a boycott of the movie Barbershop. The Black American community has more pressing concerns than a comedic movie. Thumbs down to Al Sharpton. Now Denzel Washington...I would vote for him. :)
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KILLING A CHILD RAPIST?
by TR inis it morally wrong?
obviously it's illegal to kill a rapist, unless maybe they are caught in the act.
but to premeditate the killing of a child rapist?
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Did you all see the movie 'A Time to Kill'? It's about this very topic. I'm not really a supporter of capital punishment, but it makes more sense to me that a child rapist be executed as opposed to maybe a drug dealer killing a fellow drug dealer. I wouldn't cry either!
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Were you born into the jw faith?
by nakedmvistar inhow many of you on this forum were born into the jw faith?
do you think this put you at a disadvantage when leaving the org.
do you think that someone who becomes a witness later in life would have an easier time adjusting back to a "normal" life?
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Yes. Third gen. When I first left, I was depressed and suicidal, because I didn't have anyone around me. I felt as if I was alienated from God, and of course my family and friends avoided me. I can't say that I was shunned, because if I saw or ran into anyone they would speak to me if only briefly.
I couldn't go back, though. I was too ashamed. The elders and elder's wives grapevine had completely ruined my reputation, not to mention my ex-boyfriend telling all the details of our sordid affair to anyone who would listen. I had formerly been very theocratic (auxiliary pioneer) and I'm from a pioneer family. My family had no status though, because my dad (the son of a PO) divorced my mom when I was little. He never became an elder himself (much too vocal about his doubts).
Now, I finally became part of life again when my boyfriend invited me to his church. I would secretly attend services, even going so far as parking my car around the corner and walking a block and a half to the entrance. I'm completely out of the closet now, though. My family knows I'm a Christian, and some of them shun me (sister, aunts) but most of them just tolerate it.
Holidays still feel a little funny for me. Mostly, I end up sharing with my children the Christian origins for the holidays and kind of staying away from what is classified as Pagan. For instance, we celebrate Christmas, but without the tree and Santa Claus. We exchange gifts and talk about the birth of Christ. On Easter we go to church, eat a big dinner, and talk about the gift of Christ's ransom.
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GO BUCKEYES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by teenyuck ini have to confess to being a weak ohio state university fan....that said: .
go buckeyes!!!!!
kick the crap out of miami!!!!!!.
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GO BUCKEYES!!!!
OHIO BABY!!!!! YEAH!
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Another Victim lost BACK TO WT - how sad
by JT ina few days back a dfed black woman came to this site - asking for help and looking for answers, so lady "c and myself decided to offer our help, being black we understand that black jw face some issues that a white witness would not, black congo operate many times in a somewhat different fashion in my exp at any rate , we offered our help, we discussed many issues, but in the end she has decided to return back to wt despite the fact that they treat her like dirt- one of the hardest things to watch is to see a jw get so close to freedom and then return to slavery, it reminds me so much of blacks during slavery who were just afraid to run for freedom , even many times when they only needed to cross the river -as a single black mature woman she is facing an uphill battle, if she approaches an elder more than 2 times the elders wife will think she is after her man, if she wants to marry her selection is reduced to some guy with a plaid suit on, instead of the regional director of her company who notices how intelligent she is, but since he don't sell books on the weekend she must let him slide- well here is just a glisp of what we dealt with and how sadly it ended with the jw doing what they have been trained and indoctrinated to do run and deny below are just 3 different sets of dialog .
---- dfed person--sorry, but i don't really think that it is a black and white issue.
jt- o i fully agree it is not a black and white issue, i was merely commenting on what my observation have been, when i was an elder, white bro in meetings would always challenged the co and do if they made some off the wall comment, while black elders would consistently just go along,
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JT,
I commend you for your seed planting! Also being a highly intelligent African-American woman, I notice the difficulty with helping my friends and family out of the org. I know alot of disfellowshipped folks who still believe every single last bit of JW doctrine. They don't want to go back because they either feel they are not ready to serve God or that they'll never be a good JW.
I went through the same dilemma. I didn't leave because of any lights coming on about incorrect doctrine. I left because the elders at my hall dogged me to no end. I was treated like a harlot, while my partner in crime (the son of an elder) was privately reproved and unaffected. Now, the only reason I ever started to investigate the JW doctrine is because my boyfriend at the time (now husband) shared the real gospel with me.
I was mostly affected by John 8, where the Pharisees bring a woman to be judged by Jesus and he tells them ' whoever is without sin cast the first stone' (not exact quotation) I realized that I was in a religion full of hypocrisy, and that was nothing like Jesus.
After this, I read COC and got the awakening of a lifetime. I now belong to a progressive Pentecostal church.
Now, I said all this to say that the young woman is searching, and until she finds something that she can grasp, she going to keep going back to the known (JWs). It took me a long time to get to the point where I could even hear anything I considered 'apostate'.
I've talked to my dad alot, and he has tons of doubts, yet he continues to go to the statement 'JWs may not have it 100% correct, but no one else out here is any closer.' I challenge him frequently on this because he's a born and raised JW. How in the world does he even know what other religions teach? He only knows what the Society says they teach.
Keep up the good work JT. Jesus loves you for it :) :) *wink wink*
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JT look - Local Elder Disfellowshipped
by jesussaves inmerry christmas everyone,.
i talked to my active jw mother today, and she informed me about an elder that had been disfellowshipped a couple of weeks ago.
now, this had a profound effect on me, because i've known this elder since i was a little girl.
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Of course my mother is listening in on the JW grapevine!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It's what she lives for. She even asks me questions about THIS website. She wants to know if there is anyone that she knows who posts here or if I have a list of apostates. She's just plain old nosy, but every now and then she inadvertently passes on some good news (like people leaving or getting disfellowshipped) :)
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JT look - Local Elder Disfellowshipped
by jesussaves inmerry christmas everyone,.
i talked to my active jw mother today, and she informed me about an elder that had been disfellowshipped a couple of weeks ago.
now, this had a profound effect on me, because i've known this elder since i was a little girl.
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Merry Christmas everyone,
I talked to my active JW mother today, and she informed me about an elder that had been disfellowshipped a couple of weeks ago. Now, this had a profound effect on me, because I've known this elder since I was a little girl. I went to school with his daughter.
My mother said that he was disfellowshipped for spending too much time on the internet. It is her theory that he met a woman on the internet and committed adultery. I find this very hard to believe, but of course my mom doesn't think that anyone leaves JWs because they just don't believe the doctrine. In her opinion, they must have committed some "gross sin".
Now, it is my hope that this elder was disfellowshipped because he found out the truth about the 'troof'. I hope that he convinces his wife and children to leave too. He was a very influential elder, maybe his leaving will cause some others to question. It made my mother start asking me questions about what I believe now. Of course, she doesn't want to really hear the answers (she cuts me off mid-sentence) but at least she's asking.
JT, this elder is of the same clique as our friend Gene. Has Shirley called your mother and law yet? I'm sure she shared this little tidbit.
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JWs and Capital Punishment
by jesussaves inmerry christmas everybody,.
i remember when i had my questions for baptism, the elder asked me what my view was on capital punishment.
he was obviously trying to confuse me.
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jesussaves
Merry Christmas everybody,
I remember when I had my questions for baptism, the elder asked me what my view was on Capital Punishment. He was obviously trying to confuse me. I answered how I thought a 'Christian' would answer. I said that murder is wrong and that Jesus Christ forgave and so should Christians. I was then and still am against the death penalty. Well, Bro. Elder told me that I was absolutely wrong on this, and that God created Capital Punishment as part of the Mosaic Law (an eye for an eye). When I asked, "What about the cities of refuge given so that accidental death could not be avenged with a life?" Bro Elder changed the subject, and called it a deep matter. Of course, I was only supposed to be on 'milk' then, so I should leave the meaty things of scripture alone. I should have viewed that whole exchange as a reason not to be baptized into the cult, but I didn't.
Just a random JW memory.