have you ever heard bitter divorcees relate their experiences about their former husbands or wives?
most of the time, if it is a wife telling the story, her former husband could not do anything right.
he was a terrible father, lover, provider, cook, gardener and he smelled funky and was abusive.
<<non-presencing of intention and the overthrow of logocentrism.>>
I was going to say that this person only proves how dangerously annoying a thesaurus can become if it falls into the wrong hands...but I don't think I can blame a misused thesaurus for this incomprehensible mush.
Don't bother folks.
please correct me if i'm wrong, anyone.. i've noticed, as well as many of you on this forum probably, that jws are more than willing to come here and stick up for their cult, but where is their compassion for those that are grieving?
where is your joy for those that have had a major triumph or 'blessing' in their life?.
are you jws so programmed by the wts that you can't show empathy or sympathy for a fellow human being?
Thanks, sf,
I hope you realized that I was being sarcastic. I was shocked when my Mom told me that they'd been told this at the Hall and that she seemed so proud of it...
To be so close and then be proud that they "gave away" a little coffee. After reading your link, I figured the coffee wasn't free-recipients probably had to hear that this tragedy was probably the beginning of Armageddon to pay for it.
Jewel
what are you using your time to do , that you couldn't do before when enslaved to the decrepit old men of the org?.
i'm now determined to throw down my squeegee , and become an artist.. yes i am ashamed to admit i am a window cleaner.. i have always love drawing and art, but was adviced in school that if iwanted to be an artist i would have to be determined and be totally focused in order to succeed.. but knowing i had to pioneer and go to the meetings etc i knew i wouldn't have time .so i choose to let go of my dream and waste my talents in order to serve god by selling magazines.. in fact the "truth" took up so much time that i almost gave up drawing , i cant draw well unless relaxed and i have plenty of time, in fact my favorite time is early morning when i wake up.. now i have no meetings , studying etc i have lots of time to draw and i just cant stop.. i don't know much about getting into the art world , but looking round different galleries i've seen and comparing my work i belive i can succeed.. i'll give it my best shot anyway.
What are you using your time to do , that you couldn't do before when enslaved to the decrepit old men of the org?
On Tuesday nights, instead of Book Study, I take my kids to their swimming lessons.
On Thursday nights, instead of Service Meeting/Ministerial School, we watch "Whose Line Is It Anyway".
On Saturday, instead of going out in service, I mess around in my gardens.
On Saturday night, instead of studying my Watchtower, I sometimes (though not often enough) go out on a date with my husband.
On Sunday morning, I snuggle in bed with my 3 kids, 2 dogs and 2 cats and watch "CBS Sunday Morning". Then have a leisurely breakfast. Then spend time with my family.
On Monday night, instead of studying my lesson for book study, I either take my daughter to dance class or my son to karate class (my hub and I switch off...)
I STILL-after all these years-totally ENJOY not being at meeting. I mean I will look around at my family laughing together or whatever, and actually think, "I could be sitting at meeting right this minute, but I'm NOT. I'm HERE instead!"
Almost worth all those years just for that wonderful feeling of freedom...
Jewel
please correct me if i'm wrong, anyone.. i've noticed, as well as many of you on this forum probably, that jws are more than willing to come here and stick up for their cult, but where is their compassion for those that are grieving?
where is your joy for those that have had a major triumph or 'blessing' in their life?.
are you jws so programmed by the wts that you can't show empathy or sympathy for a fellow human being?
Well now, my Mom told me that on 9/11, as people staggered over the Brooklyn Bridge, the "Headquarters" folks decided to start giving out cups of coffee. "And they didn't even charge!"
I mean, that's true service to your fellow human...
in another post, jan h said about this site:.
...there is a very angry crowd there, for obviously and understandable reasons, who will accept no dissent regarding their core dogma: that the wts is responsible for all ills and problems in life.
if what he says is correct, then i am very alarmed at this.
I feel much like Simon. My life is in a very good place now, and I can't help but believe that I am the sum of my life to date so I guess I wouldn't want to change much of the past. The WTBTS does cause some ongoing family problems-part of my family is, other part isn't-my husband thinks this makes for particularly interesting family reunions!
I know alot about the Bible which is valuable in a variety of situations-for one thing it helps in being culturally literate.
I have an amazing amount of patience. Recently we went to a parents' night for my son's karate class. The teacher is very sincere, but went on a bit long (understatement!) and got to the point where he was repeating himself. Lots of squirming in the audience. Afterward my husband asked me how I could have been so INTERESTED in what the gentleman was saying after he'd said it three or four times already. I realized I must have slipped into "meeting mode" after 15+ years out! I apparently managed to look transfixed by the message when my mind was someplace else completely.
Persecution (gasp-I hate that word) in school was incredibly painful, but it taught me about being compassionate. I KNOW how it feels to be treated cruelly and to have people make judgements based on religious differences. This has made tolerance, and more important teaching tolerance to my kids, very important to me. The hardest part is teaching tolerance for those in the family that are still Witnesses...
They were VERY much against my marrying my husband-he was--GASP--WORLDLY!! Don't know if that added to my attraction to him, but if it influenced me to marry him anyway, I'm very grateful-it's one of the best decisions I've ever made!
Jewel
i'm pretty sure this question has probably been asked before but i'd like to put it out here and see what the responses are.
my doubts about the bible probably began maybe 6 or 7 years ago, they were very small ones however and i managed to supress them for quite a while.
however certain events in my life would make those events resurface.
Do you believe in God, the Bible and religion?
1. Which god? I believe there is a life force in the universe. After years of a vengeful god, it's easier for me to think of this life force as female-still trying to come to terms with the idea of a benevolent masculine force, but balance seems to me requires it.
2. Obviously it exists. It contains a certain amount of poetry and wisdom. I do not believe the Bible is the word of god or divine.
3. Organized religion scares the heck out of me. I've never known an organized anything that humans couldn't corrupt.
i must say that as a neutral scientific observer of this site--it seems that things are kind of one-sided here.
i thought this was a board with both devout jws and ex-jws on it.
on further reflection it appears that this medium of communication should probably be called ex-jw.com.
So would classical conditioning be like when I see certain kinds of bookbags or briefcases I STILL start to feel car sick??? (I was ALWAYS sent out to the rurals...)
Jewel
i must say that as a neutral scientific observer of this site--it seems that things are kind of one-sided here.
i thought this was a board with both devout jws and ex-jws on it.
on further reflection it appears that this medium of communication should probably be called ex-jw.com.
Suppose this counts as a "Return Visit"?
Jewel <Grinning Evilly>
i have had a week to reflect on my life and was thinking about what i have seen, what i am going through, and where i am going.
i know many of you here experience unbelievable pain, suffering, anger, depression, and disbelief.
i have lived with these myself.
"A happy life is the best revenge"
I don't remember where I read that, but I think of it often in regards to this issue. When I left the Witnesses, I remember going through stages, sort of like grief-anger, feelings of loss, etc. In the end, the happy life and family that my husband and I have built speaks for itself.
Too much obsessing just means that they're STILL in control of your life. Spend some time thinking about what YOUR principles are-what is your definition of honor and values and try to build a life that reflects that. Look for joy in the little things and let the rest go...
from the new theocratic ministry school book, page 16, we read:.
training children to listen.
christian parents can help their children--even infants--to become.
Animal crackers in the library??? GASP! You wild thing, you!
I left before I had my babies, but when my Mom would invite me to the Hall, I could picture the nightmare of trying to get my active and inquisitive toddlers/babies to sit still for TWO hours. No thanks-I always passed.
When I was "in", people could give their little ones quiet stuff to play with. Now you're supposed to give a one year old a WT magazine??!!? Another reason to be thankful I'm out...
Jewel
