Posts by The_Doctor10

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Faith v Fact - New Book by Jerry Coyne

by cofty in

jerry coyne has been in the news with the release of a new book "faith v fact".. you can read a review from the independent here.... "he argues that there is a direct and unavoidable conflict between faith and science.

both make truth claims about the universe.

but only science has the means to test, refute or refine its claims.

The_Doctor10

Even when I was "in," the fact that the "Truth" could never be questioned always bothered me. Simple reasoning, "If the truth is the truth then no line of questioning can hurt it, so why be so worried about people questioning?"

This is why after I finally completely obliterated my faith in JW doctrine, and subsequently the Bible itself, turning to Science was the best thing ever because its foundation is basically, 'Question Everything!' which is what is so great, Science can be wrong, it'll admit it too, to be wrong is to learn, it's a wonderful foundation.

It just sucks so much that I didn't have this information through my teen years.

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Faith v Fact - New Book by Jerry Coyne

by cofty in

jerry coyne has been in the news with the release of a new book "faith v fact".. you can read a review from the independent here.... "he argues that there is a direct and unavoidable conflict between faith and science.

both make truth claims about the universe.

but only science has the means to test, refute or refine its claims.

The_Doctor10

Love his, "Evidence for Evolution," speech, showed many point by point explanations for all of the evidence. Included link to the video below if anyone hasn't seen it:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CW9G2YVtBYc

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Conti v WT court documents

by umbertoecho in

i don't know if this has been read by any who are on this forum.

i have only received it in the last few minutes.

it is a good document in that, it is easy to understand, it's not full of legal jargon.

The_Doctor10

I don't understand the WTS stand on this issue, just tell the BOE to always inform the congregation when there's a known pedophile amongst them, how hard is that?!

When an accusation is made, even if only by one person, the BOE should actually recommend taking it to local law enforcement, that'd absolve them of all responsibility for whatever happens thereafter.

Having a pedophile do something may look bad on the WTS, but with proper measures they could completely avoid any blame. Instead they not only have pedophiles doing things, their policies only help shield a pedophile from being properly held accountable, and even worse keep the pedophiles around to harm more children.

Why the WTS is so committed to being on the wrong side of this argument is mind-boggling to me.

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JW Org Flags at R.C.

by ToesUp in

photo was posted on jw-archive.

j.w.org flags flying at the 2015 r.c.

in fribourg, switzerland..

The_Doctor10

Already seen the retort, "We don't worship our flags, they're just advertisements." Let the JW rationale begin.

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Disfellowshipped at 18

by asensier in

you can probably guess how this story goes.. i began dating a non-witness boy.

he knew i was a baptised witness and understood the consequences i faced for dating him.

we agreed to keep our relationship secret, which was easy considering our 200 mile distance.

The_Doctor10

Just found this great quote that fits your situation, "If your approval of your child is predicated on their beliefs, you don't love your child at all, you love your beliefs."

If you extend yourself that you want to maintain a relationship with your family at some point, but they hold to their JW enforced doctrine, trot that quote out to them. It's not you that caused this division, it's their beliefs that did, always remember that.

If you have trouble realizing that, just ask yourself how many people of other backgrounds get basically disowned by their family for simply having a boyfriend? You'll only find overbearing beliefs/religions/cults to blame for this kind of attitude.

Stay strong.

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Disfellowshipped at 18

by asensier in

you can probably guess how this story goes.. i began dating a non-witness boy.

he knew i was a baptised witness and understood the consequences i faced for dating him.

we agreed to keep our relationship secret, which was easy considering our 200 mile distance.

The_Doctor10

This is a great site, you'll definitely find support here.

It can be a tough road, just look at it right now as you're out, you're free of burden. You are free to do the things you want to do, pursue your passions, make friends, learn all you can, explore your own thoughts, find the real YOU. Let nothing hold you back.

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Are JWs trying to make dysfunctional kids and destroy their ability to live normal lives?

by C0ntr013r in

are jws trying to make dysfunctional kids that wont "fit" in normal society so they will "return to jehovah"?

because there have been many stories about young people who have been out in the world only to find how bad it was and how correct the org was.. a good jw kid with "good" jw parents will have many big issues, some examples:.

fear of demons (fear, misfit).

The_Doctor10

There's definitely a huge in-group/out-group mentality that gets bred into JW youth that will carry on throughout their lives unless they "wake" up.

Below I've attached a great link to an interview with former Westboro Baptist Megan Phelps. The parralels between Westboro and JWs is downright scary, some beliefs, doctrine, the indoctrination of youth, etc... Basically stop the WB from picketing or make JWs start picketing and any other differences are near negligible.

http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/leaving-the-church

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Education Level of GB

by The_Doctor10 in

after seeing so many topics about the stupidity of the gb, just got me wondering, anyone know the secular education levels of the gb?

are they high school level religious zealots or are they college educated manipulators?

The_Doctor10

@Ding Didn't mean any kind of implication between all high school educated and college educated people.

Just was curious if any in the GB had any kind of formal background in making any of their claims.

If they're just HS educated then they're most likely just making most of the stuff up as they go along, not that they can't still learn, but just an assertion that there's likely no formal training at all behind their methods of teaching, researching, or leading.

If they are college educated, then what fields of study? It would be of interesting import if human psychology was studied by any of the GB, as this could lend itself to methodology of manipulation. Or if any had studied in History, their twisting of historical events to fit Biblical prophecy.

Just was wondering if any had a "leg up," as it were to have any kind of scholarly know-how in leading a worldwide organization or were we just dealing with K-12 educated zealots who rode their piousness to their current positions atop Mount of All Lies?

My query was not meant as any kind of comparison between the education levels themselves, just was wondering what we were dealing with from the GB.

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An amazing interview by Sam Harris

by The_Doctor10 in

sam harris did this interview with megan phelps formerly of the infamous westboro baptist church, and i got to say holy $#!

@ the parallels to jw indoctrination/beliefs is actually pretty astonishing.. http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/leaving-the-church.

highly recommend everyone listen to this interview, especially if you're on the fence about continuing as a jw or in any other overbearing cult/religion..

The_Doctor10

Same here OneEyedJoe, they're insanely similar, just get JWs to picket with vitriol or get the Westboro to stop picketing and the differences are negligible.

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Apathy trollies in my city.

by punkofnice in

is it me or are people giving them a wide berth?.

The_Doctor10

There was a cart outside a local courthouse, thought it seemed fitting as the WTS will be at many courts fighting Child Abuse cases.

As a side note, the two sisters sitting this particular cart were of the plumper variety, probably should be the ones out walking door to door to shed some weight and get healthy, but nope just sitting there racking up easy hours. I guess they don't take care of themselves because, hey, why get healthy in this system, they can be skinny in the new system lol