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  No Moral Absolutes?

  by Rex B13 in

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  hi gang,.

  those who claim that morality is subjective have painted themselves into a corner.

  how about this, kent, big jim, seeker, a.f., j.h., troglodyte trilobyte, hippo the dippo, lisa baby, mulan, ldh, boynenko, et al?.

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  Jimmer

  "Do as you want, as long as no one gets hurt."

  That is a value statement; a statement asserting a moral stand, a judgment on what constitutes right and wrong.
  So, hurting someone is wrong? And if an act does not "hurt" someone, then it is okay?

  Define "hurt," please.

  More importantly, how do you know hurting someone is wrong? On what grounds do you make that assertion?

  Seems to me you are trying to claim moral relativism regards to some acts and a moral absolute to others.

  You can not have it both ways. Either there is an objective standard (moral obsolute) to measure human behavior or there is not. There is no fence riding on this matter.
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  What is this Faithful & Devoted Slave?

  by alex in

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  i keep reading about some faithful & devoted slave being god's official spokesman on earth.

  can somebody explain to me what this all means.

  in mormonism the source for all truth is the prophet who speaks for god and runs the huge moneymaking businesses of mormonism.

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  Jimmer

  The reference is from a parable, not a prophecy. There is not intent by Jesus to point to a future, "prophetic fulfillment" of a faithful and discreet slave. Rather, the parable simply is simply a picture of one who is alert, aware and attentive to the Lord's work.
  Remember, PARABLE, not prophecy.
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  Apostates at assemblies...

  by TheApostleAK in

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  anyone here got any stories about apostates going on the rampage at any meetings, assemblies, conventions.. i haven't seen any but a young witness told me that his previous cong.

  called the police to a meeting cos a df person went apesh*t once.. also, all aussie jw's should know about the riot at a glenelg convention in adelaide in the 1940's where apostates rushed to the sound equipment and some jw stood in there way and kinghit one of them.

  (see 1983 yearbook).. from the apostle ak

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  The event took place about seven years ago. I was involved in an anti-cult support group. A half dozen of us found the most stategic spots we could and stood with our signs. The signs had our phone number and some simple pleasant messages.
  The young lad who stopped and talked with me was searching. We chatted on and on. People could hear our conversation and the expressions on their faces showed their dissapproval. At one point, some attendants attempted to shoo us away. We calmly told them that the sidewalk was public property and thereby fairgame for us to use to express our opinions. They were not happy about that.
  Back to the lad. We chatted for nearly twenty minutes. Then his mother (he's 19 mind you) came up to him and scolded him, dragging him away. (Poor fellow, being treated like a 9 year old.) It was at that precise moment that my parents (whom I had not spoken with for years and years) passed by. In the heat of the moment, I said, "Hi, Dad!" I'm sure that didn't go over well.
  All-in-all, the experience was a memorable one.
  All those ill-fitting suits and somber faces. I'm glad I'm out.
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  Times are a changin...

  by TheApostleAK in

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  times change, rules change.... the corrected list from a previous post.. * = what i've seen jw's doing (and not just a few either) against the society.. become a jw and you can't.

  celebrate mother's day .

  celebrate father's day .

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  Jimmer

  No turkey at Thanksgiving or owning a smurf? What's this world coming to?
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  Apostates at assemblies...

  by TheApostleAK in

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  anyone here got any stories about apostates going on the rampage at any meetings, assemblies, conventions.. i haven't seen any but a young witness told me that his previous cong.

  called the police to a meeting cos a df person went apesh*t once.. also, all aussie jw's should know about the riot at a glenelg convention in adelaide in the 1940's where apostates rushed to the sound equipment and some jw stood in there way and kinghit one of them.

  (see 1983 yearbook).. from the apostle ak

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  Jimmer

  I once picketed a convention. I suppose by the borg's definition I am an apostate.
  I wouldn't call my peaceful picketing on the public sidewalk a rampage. However, I would call the borg's attempts at squelching freedom of expression on public grounds reprehensible.
  Hmmm...
  Funny thing is, while all the borg filed out with looks of dismay and anger towards me, I was having a pleasant conversation with an interested nineteen year old.

  Ya gotta love it!
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  Organised Religion

  by aud8 in

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  if none of you believe in organised religion then who is the "faithful and discreet slave" mentioned in the bible?

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  aud8,

  Organized religion. Hmmm.

  You seem to be assuming that not believing in the "JW organization" is equivalent to not believing in any organized religion. Is that a correct assessment of your standing? I hope it is not.

  Belief in any organization is dangerous. BUT, belief in CHRIST and expressing that belief IN an organization is wholly different.

  So, you think God is a God of organization? And in just what one form of earthly organization do you think He's the CEO? The Watchtower?
  I think not!

  No, God sets up residence in the hearts of believers, NOT in organizations. Look it up and check Him out.

  Remember aud8, just because the Watchtower claims to be God's organization doesn't make it so. Claims do not equal truth. (I could claim to be Christ but that statement wouldn't make me Christ.)

  Hmmm...
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  Graven Images

  by ruffian in

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  maybe some of you are familiar with the study guid that the j.w's brought to me.

  its called "what does god really require of us?

  " in chaper 2 they mention graven images.

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  Jimmer

  You handled it quite well. Your explaination was the best I've heard in a long time. If they didn't get it--that's their problem. "You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink."
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  Request for Opinions

  by patio34 in

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  i requested that my sons (both jws) come to my home for a family meeting today.

  had nothing to do with religion.

  both of them know i don't go to meetings and that i have intellectual disagreement with wtbs.. son #2 said that before we begin the meeting, he would like to offer up prayer.

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  Good job! (Hope the beer was of the premium type--they're your sons, you know.)
  Tactful, yet to the point. Touche`!
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  Organised Religion

  by aud8 in

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  if none of you believe in organised religion then who is the "faithful and discreet slave" mentioned in the bible?

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  A parable is a parable is a parable; NOT A PROPHESY!
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  Accepted 66 books of Canon

  by SharonUT in

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  considering an apostacy that was well into swing by 100ad, and worse yet by the time the nicene council was held in 325ad... how are jehovah's witnesses sure about the basically protestant canon they initially accepted which was canonized about 376ad at earlist and still even then, many christians didn't agree upon that and still don't today!

  i could go into more detail if desired... but upon what basis to jw's accept this canon from an apostate generation?

  how do they know that other books such as the book of enoch originally held to be scripture and quoted frequently in mark or the shepherd of hermes should not be included as inspired?

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  Jimmer

  Maybe they ought to return to the AV. (Much better than the NWT.)