But didn't this happen in Noah's Day?
No, it was an urban legend of it's time.
Guys, this is an undercover JW....don't feed the troll.
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What hope is there then?
by sayitsnotso inif jws don't have the truth; if there is no paradise earth; if there is no end of this system; if death is all there is, then what hope do we have to look forward too?.
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If Jehovah Disapproved Of Polygamy & Concubines Why Did He Bless Those Involved?
by minimus inabraham, solomon and others got god's seal of approval.
if they were truly sinning, you would think it would've been clearly expressed in the 10 commandments and the law.
instead, god blessed those involved in adultery and fornication..
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Most of us find even one woman impossible to live with on a regular basis (and vice-verse).
You don't pay a hooker for sex, dude. You're payer her to leave when you're done.
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What hope is there then?
by sayitsnotso inif jws don't have the truth; if there is no paradise earth; if there is no end of this system; if death is all there is, then what hope do we have to look forward too?.
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But in the end, the 12 things I numbered (which isn't neccessarily an exhuastive list for me), seem to be undisputible and no other organization believes these same things.
Methinks we have an undercover JW in our midst...
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Everything he quoted was outside the bible since the bible didn't exist at the time.
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Are you SEEKING the TRUTH of the bible unaided?
by EndofMysteries inhey,.
i'm hoping some on here, maybe realizing that what the bible really teaches, no church or religion has it.
your learning and working hard to uncover it's true message.
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Jesus and the HS
Is that a band? Jesus and Hot Spares? Jesus and Hell Screamers? Jesus and the Hot Shits? Jesus and the Heat Seekers?
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Perhaps Had a " Ghost " Experience the Last 6 weeks on a Job ? You tell me
by flipper ini've never been one to believe in " ghosts " .
i'm open to the possibility that there may exist something in the afterlife or spirit world- i just don't know what it is.
having been out of the witnesses over 6 years i had my fill of being a jehovah's witness and being told how " scared " i should be of satan or the demons.
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In my lifetime, my gut was right most of the time. You can't always know when you are wrong: You would have to get inside the other person's head and people would never be honest enough to tell you what they are REALLY thinking.
That's my question, how do you know you are right if you can't know that you are wrong and if you ask, they won't be honest?
I have photos and EVP's to prove the afterlife.
Nothing like a good lens flare to prove something.
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Twisting Scripture vs A Literal Reading
by AllTimeJeff inknowing that passions run deep on this matter, i have what i believe to be a very simple premise for a discussion of how to read the bible.. terry has labored over the last couple of months to demonstrate (in my view, conclusively) that the bible is far from unaltered, and often mistranslated.
these facts, inconvenient as they might be for believers, are nonetheless, a problem for those who claim that the bible is the word of god.. this is not what i wish to discuss... rather..... jehovah's witnesses come from a tradition of "reading in" or "adding meaning" to the scriptures.
no one jw outside of the governing body is allowed to do this.. but why is it necesarry?.
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Another point is that I'm pretty certain Jehovahs witnesses aim for a literal understanding of the Bible - in fact they brought out their own bible because they wanted to provide a more literal understanding.
They pick and choose what's literal and what's not, often parsing part of a verse and literal and part as figurative. They published their own for 1)conformity and 2)just like the catholics, to support a specific agenda
Many of the parables are taken to have a literal meaning/fulifillment (the parable of the faithful and discreet slave class for example).
But they are so humble! (that's a joke)
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Twisting Scripture vs A Literal Reading
by AllTimeJeff inknowing that passions run deep on this matter, i have what i believe to be a very simple premise for a discussion of how to read the bible.. terry has labored over the last couple of months to demonstrate (in my view, conclusively) that the bible is far from unaltered, and often mistranslated.
these facts, inconvenient as they might be for believers, are nonetheless, a problem for those who claim that the bible is the word of god.. this is not what i wish to discuss... rather..... jehovah's witnesses come from a tradition of "reading in" or "adding meaning" to the scriptures.
no one jw outside of the governing body is allowed to do this.. but why is it necesarry?.
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notverylikely - if that was purely the case, why did the catholic church forbid anybody to possess one?
They didn't.
Why were any caught with one burned on the stake with it?
You really don't have a keen grasp on history, do you?
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Twisting Scripture vs A Literal Reading
by AllTimeJeff inknowing that passions run deep on this matter, i have what i believe to be a very simple premise for a discussion of how to read the bible.. terry has labored over the last couple of months to demonstrate (in my view, conclusively) that the bible is far from unaltered, and often mistranslated.
these facts, inconvenient as they might be for believers, are nonetheless, a problem for those who claim that the bible is the word of god.. this is not what i wish to discuss... rather..... jehovah's witnesses come from a tradition of "reading in" or "adding meaning" to the scriptures.
no one jw outside of the governing body is allowed to do this.. but why is it necesarry?.
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okay so you dismiss Genesis account of literal Garden of Eden, especially since most say it is literal.
I didn't say that at all. Please do not assume what I beleive or what you think I know.
I just show you a scripture in the bible, showing it speaking of garden of Eden in a symbolic sense and it's trees symbolic.
No, you didn't You showed me a scripture and said you beleived it meant the garden was symbolic.
Sounds like it may have brought in you a thought that, "wait, if it is symbolic.....maybe there are valid answers for other parts, maybe some truth".
No, that didn't happen.
AND if you take Jeff's advice, then things you can't accept in a book of the bible, wouldn't invalidate others.
I could decide that the sun wasn't going to rise tomorrow and it wouldn't make any difference.
I'll just say, I don't blame anybody for no belief in any of it based on what they are told the books are saying.
Whew, that's good.
I have to say, this exchange was pretty typical...person thinks they have discovered something, has special knowledge, god/jesus/holy spirit talks to them, whatever. They get questioned on it, provide non answer like "study more", "ask with the right heart condition", "parts of the bible aren't really god;s word", etc., without every answering a question while claiming they do, then they keep changing the subject while never actually answering anything, then start to assume what others know, beleive, think, meant, etc (which, BTW, is how they think they "know" god), rinse, repeat.
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Twisting Scripture vs A Literal Reading
by AllTimeJeff inknowing that passions run deep on this matter, i have what i believe to be a very simple premise for a discussion of how to read the bible.. terry has labored over the last couple of months to demonstrate (in my view, conclusively) that the bible is far from unaltered, and often mistranslated.
these facts, inconvenient as they might be for believers, are nonetheless, a problem for those who claim that the bible is the word of god.. this is not what i wish to discuss... rather..... jehovah's witnesses come from a tradition of "reading in" or "adding meaning" to the scriptures.
no one jw outside of the governing body is allowed to do this.. but why is it necesarry?.
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Personally, I think some parts of the Bible are there to make us think about the questions, not to provide the answers.
Some of the stories are just for that. However, the "bible" is a collection of stories that supported the agenda of the early catholic church and should be treated exactly like that.