Well, there goes all the suspense. Yes, leavingwt is my brother. I have been hiding in mystery up until now. So here's my official Wazzzzuuuuppppp!!!!!!
mentallyfree31
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SOME ENCOURAGEMENT FOR THE NEWBIES AND LURKERS
by palmtree67 ina quote from "crisis of conscience".
don't be afraid to read it.. .
whatever the initial distress - a distress that sometimes follows the demenaing experience of being interogated by men who, in effect strip one of dignity, make the weight of their authority felt, and presume to judge adversely one's standing with god - however torn one may feel inside, afterward there is a distinct feeling of relief, of peace.
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Does anyone here work out?
by XPeterX ini do since 2007,bulking 6'220 19yo can hit 300 in a few years.
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I lost 38 pounds about 3 years ago. I cut back on my eating, and worked out for 90 minutes every day (mon-fri). It was hard work. By working out, I mean cardio stuff - walking, stairmaster and mostly the elliptical machine.
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My Parents First Taste Of Being Shunned Since They DA'd.
by mentallyfree31 inmy parents sent their da letter back in march.
my mom bumped into a jw who has been a friend since 1985, in fact they were baptized the same day at the same convention.
this particular jw quit attending meetings in 1996. my mom saw her in a grocery store.
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My parents sent their DA letter back in March. My mom bumped into a JW who has been a friend since 1985, in fact they were baptized the same day at the same convention. This particular JW quit attending meetings in 1996. My mom saw her in a grocery store. My mom spoke and the JW looked at her with a snarky grin and never said a word.
She became active and quit attending meetings almost 15 years ago, and she heard about my mom DA'ing and refuses to speak. (Note: This didn't hurt my mom's feelings...they are so happy to be out that they could careless what goes on in the JW world. Of course, they feel sorry for their old friends, but their entire family is now out of the cult, so they have plenty of friends and relatives. They are happier than I have ever seen them..)
Mind control is alive and real. WT really does take over a person's life and control their every move.
It's so silly when you are on the outside looking in. Elderly men in Brooklyn tell you who can be your friends, who you can and cannot speak to, who you can marry, and hundreds/thousands of other rules. And everybody eats it right up and believes it is the most wonderful loving organization in the world. Unbelievable!
I hate this cult!
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Sign of the Last Days by Carl Oloff Johnson - Have you read it?
by mentallyfree31 ini started reading sign of the last days by carl oloff johnson this week.
i am almost to page 50 right now, and have finished the section on world famines.
wow - he really deconstructs the idea of whether famines have increased or decreased over the past 2,000 years.
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Update: Have read quite a bit on the earthquakes section. WT really doctors up their statistics. When you compare WT stats to the actual stats, it really is quite comical.
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SOME ENCOURAGEMENT FOR THE NEWBIES AND LURKERS
by palmtree67 ina quote from "crisis of conscience".
don't be afraid to read it.. .
whatever the initial distress - a distress that sometimes follows the demenaing experience of being interogated by men who, in effect strip one of dignity, make the weight of their authority felt, and presume to judge adversely one's standing with god - however torn one may feel inside, afterward there is a distinct feeling of relief, of peace.
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To the lurkers: Realize that you will not be destroyed at Armageddon for researching your religion. Move past the fear. Things are either true or false. If something is true, you can lay all the evidence on the table and consider all of it. It will still be true.
If, upon closer observation, the evidence does not support the fact that something is true, then it can't be true. It's just that simple.
(1) Either Jerusalem was destroyed in 607 BCE or 587 BCE. It has to be one or the other. You need to know the truth. Because if 607 BCE is wrong, then so is 1914 and 1918 and 1919. Very simple.
(2) Either Jesus chose this organization in 1919 or he didn't. Why would Jesus have chosen this organization? If Jesus chose an organization, would its members have to be following the scriptures, and spreading the truth with others? Or could they be believing things that weren't true, and preaching false prophecies and beliefs to others? If christams and birthdays are so wrong, how could Jesus approve of them in 1919 and consider these people so righteous that he would appoint them over all his affairs on earth?
(3) Next - what was this organization teaching in 1919? Do you know? Can you make a list of the 40 or so common teachings that they were preaching to others? Are you aware that if people believed today what those brothers believed in 1919, they would be disfellowshipped and destroyed at Armageddon? How did Charles Taze Russel rise to heaven in 1918 if most of the things he believed were false? Very simple. Think about it.
(4) 7 million Witnesses, wow that's a lot. That's impressive. But there are 12 million mormons, who are ready to die for their belief just like you are because they are convinced they have the only truth. There are over 1 billion muslims, some estimate as many as 1.5 billion. To them Allah is REAL. They are ready to die for him. Does this mean he is real? Of course not.
(5) If you think that you are "in the truth" presently, then what was Charles Taze Russell in? What was Rutherford in? They certainly didn't believe the same things that you believe. If what you have is the truth, then Russell and Rutherford died and never knew the truth. Did you know that Russell never knew anything about Jesus becoming king in 1914. Even though he died in 1916. Russell wrote many things about people of the world "being in darkness". He also said that one would be a fool not to accept his "so called truths". But his "truths" were merely the imaginations of somebody's mind. They all failed and every prediction he made never came true. After spending much time reading Russell's writings - I can assure you that the person who was in darkness was Charles Taze Russell himself.
(6) Is God really going to destroy millions of Chinese children any day now at this "Armageddon"? What did these children do? All they did was being born on the other side of the world, a long way from Brooklyn. They have never heard of a Watchtower organization. They have never heard of Jehovah. Is God really going to slaughter them and leave thier bodies in the streets for the birds to eat? Some suggest that God will not destroy all of these chinese children, because he will read people's hearts. If this is true, then we arrive at a new fact: It is NOT necessary to be a Jehovah's Witness to survive Armageddon. Now there is a dilema: Either a person has to be a Jehovah's Witness to survive Armageddon, or they don't. Which is it? It can only be one way or the other! If Jehovah is gonna read hearts, then we can throw out the "have to be a witness" teaching. Think about it.
(7) What really is "this generation" that Jesus talked about? It's already changed completely 6 different times, the latest being in the April 2010 WT magazine. Surely it will change again. Why would it not, if it changes every few years? Why believe this new explanation, why not just wait a couple of years and get the newer definition? Remember in 1995, when we got "new light" and we changed it to mean "the wicked and twisted" generation? Oooops, Jehovah had nothing to do with that teaching, because it was wrong. I don't think Jehovah reveals false teachings to people. He certainly wouldn't have us knock on doors all over the world and insist that people have to believe this in order to survive Armageddon. When my family joined in the early 1980's, this generation meant the people alive in 1914. Ooops, that was somebody's wild imagination also, because there is no way the God of truth would reveal and allow false teachings to be carried around for decades. Think about it.
I love the expression Judge Judy uses here on American TV: If something doesn't make sense, it's probably not true.
Let go of your fear, if you are lurking out there. If you have the one and only true religion, looking at hard facts will not change the one and only true religion. It will only support your beliefs more fully. Go to the library and look up these terms: Jerusalem, Israel, Jews, Zedekiah & Nebechadnezzar. Scan the articles until you see the section talking about the destruction of Jerusalem. What does it say? When did it happen? Look through every encyclopedia they have if you have time. If you can, go to a large library in a larger city. Check it out for youself. Check EVERY encyclopedia they have. Facts are facts. The destruction of Jerusalem was a pretty big deal in history. It is WELL DOCUMENTED.
Seven million people in the WT organization believe that the destruction of Jerusalem happened in 607 BCE. Does this make it true? No indeed. Seven million people believed since 2008 that "this generation" simply meant the anointed ones. Was this true? Not since a few weeks ago. So seven million people were wrong. When my family came in around 1984, several million Witnesses believed that "this generation" was the people alive in 1914. Did this make it true? No it did not. It was presented as "the truth" and we had to accept it. What changed? The men in brooklyn simply changed their mind. As they have done hundreds of times over 130 years.
Best of luck to you all! And welcome to the forum if you are new!
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Sign of the Last Days by Carl Oloff Johnson - Have you read it?
by mentallyfree31 ini started reading sign of the last days by carl oloff johnson this week.
i am almost to page 50 right now, and have finished the section on world famines.
wow - he really deconstructs the idea of whether famines have increased or decreased over the past 2,000 years.
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I'm getting excited about the earthquakes section now. My wife is going to the KH tonight for a meeting, so I should be able to dive in and read some more.
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Sign of the Last Days by Carl Oloff Johnson - Have you read it?
by mentallyfree31 ini started reading sign of the last days by carl oloff johnson this week.
i am almost to page 50 right now, and have finished the section on world famines.
wow - he really deconstructs the idea of whether famines have increased or decreased over the past 2,000 years.
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I started reading Sign of the Last Days by Carl Oloff Johnson this week. I am almost to page 50 right now, and have finished the section on world famines. Wow - he really deconstructs the idea of whether famines have increased or decreased over the past 2,000 years. The twentieth century has seen the best advancements ever as far as the worldwide food population. The worst famines in history happened a century/centuries (in some parts) ago.
It's truly amazing that the WTS had us so fooled on basic things like this. The next section is dealing with earthquakes. I have already dove into this a while back. I think JWFacts.com breaks this down as well on one of his pages, proving that there has been no increase in earthquakes in the so called "last days" since 1914.
This has been really enlightening to read this material. I have enjoyed it immensely.
Have you read this book? What did you think?
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Is the Tide Turning For the Watchtower Organization? What Do You Think?
by mentallyfree31 ini would like some thoughts on this issue.
as we well know the wts has been going strong for 130 years.
and they are still making large increases.
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Thanks - all of you - for your comments.
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JW's: Did You Tattle-Tale To The Elders When You Heard Things?
by mentallyfree31 injust curious...how many of you went to the elders and reported to them things that you heard through gossip?
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and how many of you knew things that could get people disfellowshipped, but decided not to tell the elders?.
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I'm trying to count my tattle-tale moments over 25 years.
I once got an elder deleted. Years later, I insisted somebody else tell what they knew and got a teenage girl reproved.
The last year that I went, I decided I didn't really care and everybody could deal with their own problems.
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You may have forgotten about me but here's my update
by doublelife init's been a while since i've posted because i've been so busy looking for a full-time job so that i could leave my husband.
well, i've finally got one today.
actually, it's the same job i've had for about a year but someone else just put in their notice to quit so my manager finally gave me full-time status.
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Best of luck to you doublelife.
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