Posts by MMXIV

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JW boy and 'worldly' girl - love torn in two

by nekoreichan in

hey everyone, .

i have a question about being in a relationship with a jw boy.. we were friends since the beginning of our senior year in high school.

i called him oniichan ( older brother in japanese) so it'll just be for fun.

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nekoreichan,

I can add little to the honest and heartfelt advice already written here, but your story is far from boring and I wish you well. Oniichan will be very confused right now from the shock of feeling good about life to suddenly being treated and no doubt feeling like a criminal in just a few days. I have experienced what this is like and it is something that will live with him for a long time. Part of his confusion is that he is being criminalised for doing what he enjoyed and was a beautiful thing - spending time with you - which he knows is wrong according to JW's but he didn't feel was wrong - in fact he loved being with you.

You can help by being there for an open communication when he is ready but ultimately he needs to face the consequences of what he wants - to either turn his back on a religion that condemns him for doing something that is normal and with it his family and all his friends. Or try and reconcile himself to the religion by working hard to prove he is a good JW again. Either way he has to make that decision and will take many years to come to terms with it.

For him - this is an emotional upheaval like his parents dying or being divorced by a long term partner - but in many ways worse. Most would consider this to be a very bad time to get involved in a relationship. So it doesn't mean it can't work but just be realistic what is involved and take your time.

I am sorry this is something you are involved with as you have done no wrong and it is the fault of a belief system with serious flaws. Let us know what happens if you feel you want to at some point in the future or if you have any questions.

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57

New light on blood?

by Mickey mouse in

this is prompted by barbara's new article at freeminds and a message someone sent to my youtube account a month ago.. there are rumours that there will be "new light" this year about blood transfusions.

if this happens, i for one will be speaking up and asking who is accountable for all the lives lost due to the wt's death dealing policy.

this is an opportunity for all those who still have some connections with jws to make people think..

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New medical evidence and research will continue to be released and show stats on how many JW's die (eg Netherlands research 1983-2006). They will be forced to change their stance for legal reasons - but it will be a subtle change so witlesses will argue - it hasn't changed. This will result in a field day by the press though - because officially it will have. When the GB still apply it on the quiet by making it a conscience thing (which of course they will) - the press will have them for still enforcing it the first time another dub dies on the operating table.

Well lets hope they do change the policy and save some lives - thousands once living could still be alive.

Is there anything stopping JW's from altering the wording on the medical directive to state they their stance on non-blood medical management is as a direct result of the the teachings from the GB?

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12

Solving The World's Problems in 30 Minutes

by torn in two son in

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friends

i do not have many teachers that i admire.

(with the exception of a female eighth grade level english/history teacher, but that's another story).

no, today i'm talking of a different exception.

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I wait until the appropriate article comes out in the WT, study it carefully doing additional research so I might be able to add an interesting but relevant point. I then reflect on the comments of my brothers and sisters as they share in fellowship and know that by myself I cannot solve the world's problems, but leave it in the hands of the creator to do so...or so I once thought...

...but my latest view (light bulb moment occurred some time between my coffee and sandwich - only 20mins) I think the best way to sort out the world's problems is ensure all "parents to be" are tested thoroughly for their worthiness to bring children into this world.

Crap parents = children with problems = another generation of problems (the term generation evidently refers to an overlapping generation without a time limit).

Stop nutters having kids and their influence will eventually die out. I would extend this to people who just don't care enough about giving their kids a great childhood (I did my best for them just doesn't cut it).

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Post YOUR obvious Prophecy for the future...if correct you can join my Governing Body!!

by Witness 007 in

why don't you have a go at an obvious prophecy!

jesus said increased wars, earthqaukes, pestilence {obvious prophecies} but here are mine.. 1. verily i say interest rates will rise and fall like "the sea of mankind.".

2. there shall be riots and turmoil after soccer matches...see that you are not terrified, for these things must take place...".

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End of the Borg

There will continue to be growth but do not dispair. You will hear reports of changing interpretations of the Generation but the end will not yet come. No one knows the day or the hour, not even the angels in the heavens, only the Borg upon receipt of the lawsuit that will clean out their offshore accounts.

And the Good News about the failings of the Borg will be preached throughout the whole internet community so that all the nations will read it and then the end will come.

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27

Bullying JW's

by etna in

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friends

i've just watched a program on tv about bullying (in australia).

and my wife and i were just commenting on how much the jw's bully so many of their followers, as in shunning disfellowshiped or disassociated ones, even ones that have faded.

their bullying tactics also invove using famiky members not to talk to them.

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This is a massive topic and for many different reasons...

1) for born-in's the WTS encourages (almost polices) children to be a target for bullying at school. No xmas, b'days, religious instruction and having. Doing door to door, no bad language, having to turn the other cheek, not joining in the fun stuff (discos) and not being able to date etc etc.

2) each KH is filled with personalities - some controlling types that bully. But all JW's are encouraged to put on the new personality which I believe is about displaying victim-like (sheep-like) qualities and therefore are open to bullying for any number of reasons.

The general rule though is if someone treats you badly and they're more spiritual (eg elder) then you are wrong and must pray. It's easy to get a bad reputation just for standing up for yourself and JW's are counselled to hold their tongue and forgive when treated badly. That just allows the bully to get away with it and do it again.

If you want to leave the organisation then bullying is often actively used and always involved as a threat (implied by the WTS).

3) in the preaching work some JW's use bullying tactics albeit generally more subtle. JW's believe they are 100% right and have God's backing so - they will preach to others - ignoring and rarely even listening to other people's opinions and if they disagree - well they're damned at Armageddon. Just turning up on someone's door - (normally it's 2 vs 1) and hammering through topics without the person being able to prepare can be quite intimidating.

I can honestly say I have never bullied in the cong - mostly due to my personality type - but seen it many times. I also was not bullied at school due to a combination of living a double life (avoided all references where possible to being a JW and what that meant) and having a set of cool friends who stood up for me.

I am angered though at how the WTS pushes it's young to "make a stand at school" and almost wants them to be bullied so this can be blamed on Satan and then they won't have any worldly friends. Also how some JW's act in the cong. If it were in the world they'd get a fist in the face and would learn, but in the cong they just keep getting away with it because the GB will back them up. GB policy on shunning, marking ones in the cong and how it encourages the spiritual class system (DO, CO, Bethel Elder, Elder, Bethel Mini, Pioneer, Mini, Active Brother, any Sister, Child, marked one (not sure where the wives of the DO, CO etc fit)) fosters an environment of bullying.

I have known of cases that led to some suffering depression and becoming suicidal.

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Difference between "raised in the truth" and "converts" that are now X-JWs.

by Brocephus in

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friends

i am noticing a difference..... "raised in's" seem to be a little more relaxed and better suited for their world after the kh.

"converts" seem to be a little disoriented.

maybe b/c they saw the truth as away out of this crazy world only to be massive dissapointed.

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Born in. I quickly and quietly realised I had been led to believe the following crazy opinions (just a small sample) once I started work and spending time with worldlings:

Men were more important than women.

If left alone with anyone of the opposite sex - sex was going to happen and one would need to fight it off. (quite disappointed about this one ).

I wasn't going to leave school because Armageddon would arrive way before then so why bother getting good results?

I guess most will react slightly differently to the teachings and social dynamics so hard to compare.

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47

Back. and seeking ideas for screwing over the memorial

by Sirona in

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friends

ok. me and friends are going to attend a memorial on 30 march.. what would be the best way to get our message across?.

should we just throw a hundred flyers into the hall in the middle of the memorial?.

should we drink the wine and eat all the bread and then stand up and say something?.

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Disrupt what would otherwise be another hour spent in sheer boredom at the KH contemplating another wasted year without achievements? You spoil sport.

If you want to release a bit of tension head to a pub instead and get a bottle of red - pass it round a few times before you savour it's fine flavour. You could then plan an Ex-dub do - perhaps consider inviting only those in poor standing with the congregation, have it in an inappropriate establishment (any pub) and ensure that no-one is controlling the alcohol, if the lights are dimmed too much, the type of music playing or if the conversation is upbuilding enough. Enjoy your freedom - it's good to be free no? (please excuse the Oasis quote)

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Do YOU donate blood?

by Quillsky in

if you do, what are your motivations?.

if you don't, why not?.

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Very sorry to hear of your loss Magwitch. You're doing a really good thing for a really good reason.

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The Dictonary of JW's

by highdose in

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friends

jw's are very fond of taking words and making them mean somthing completly different.

i thought it might be interesting to compile these.

of course every other worldly dictonary will say that the word mean somthing different... but brothers and sisters!

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Reaching out 1) to stretch one’s arm out 2) to publicly demonstrate one’s desire for promotion within the congregation by sucking up to several elders/visiting CO and being seen to do more field ministry. (this only applies to the male gender)

Food at the proper time 1) meal served on time 2) a pile of horsesh1t printed in a magazine that must be repeated in rote on a Sunday in front of other like-minded horsesh1t swallowers

Improper conduct 1) acting in an unacceptable way 2) the words used to describe feeling up your girlfriend/boyfriend when you are confessing to elders

Trusting in God 1) putting your trust in God 2) accepting horsesh1t you know is horsesh1t but are being asked to wait until one day it is superseded by fresher horesesh1t

Last days of the last days 1) WTF? 2) the phrase used to imply (but not guarantee) the end of the world is so imminent that the logical course of action would be to resign from any secular job and knock on as many doors as you can to warn people of their imminent destruction.

Spiritual reminders 1) a reminder from a source that is considered spiritual 2) reprinting the same old horsesh1t till one is bored to tears or a useful phrase to insert into a public prayer if preceded by the words “grateful for”

Brothers and Sisters 1) American sitcom 2) a way of addressing anyone who would gladly shun you the moment an elder announces you’re disfellowshipped or a group of individuals who regularly express an appreciation for horsesh1t

Brothers 1) a male sibling 2) a method of addressing a congregation whilst reinforcing that women are considered to be a lower class of horsesh1t swallowers

Elder 1) an older person 2) a senior horsesh1t swallower who has the power to deliver their own horsesh1t

Pioneer 1) the first to enter or settle a region 2) a practiced timewaster who seeks approval from other horesesh1t swallowers

Do not call 1) a request to not call 2) the occupier of a property that refuses to swallow horsesh1t

Joy 1) delight or happiness 2) the “lack of” being something to beat up anyone who hasn’t smiled enough during horsesh1t swallowing sessions or the secret emotion experienced when a senior horseh1t swallower has not turned up to deliver his horsesh1t on a Sunday.

Horsesh1t 1) what people who don’t know better or choose not to know better swallow in regular doses – best done as a group activity known as fellowship

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109

Your most memorable Kingdom Hall meeting disruptions!

by easyreader1970 in

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friends

i remember about twenty years ago some teenagers were caught fornicating in one of the additional schools.

the schools were downstairs, essentially separated from the rest of the kh.

they weren't just happened upon, though.

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A wonderful Freudian slip was made by a very young brother during an answer when he stated that the "Annointed were looking forward to immorality in the heavens" instead of immortality. Not many picked up on it - but those that did couldn't keep a straight face for the rest of the meeting...

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