I wouldn't get too excited about the Unthank lawsuit. Are there victims of sexual abuse involved in this lawsuit? You mentioned that, but as far as I know, this is basically about a bunch of JWs not getting background checks before working with children, which is required by Australian law.
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In Australia, A $3 Billion Jehovahs Witnesses Class Action Over Child Abuse looms Large
by Scott77 inthat's the approximate headline from steve unthank's website at www.jwnews.org.
assuming those numberous victims of sexual abuse prevail in the court and ultimately, get awarded substantial amount of compasation, what do you think will happen to the watchtower we know it today?.
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Should The Governing Body Seek Professional Teatment For: Narcissistic Personallity Disorder?
by frankiespeakin init is clearly evident that they are suffering from this disorder by all they say, cause to be written, and how they have interpeted scripture so illogically or so megalomaniacally.. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/pmh0001930/.
narcissistic personality disorderlast reviewed: november 10, 2012.. narcissistic personality disorder is a condition in which people have an excessive sense of self-importance, an extreme preoccupation with themselves, and lack of empathy for others.. causes, incidence, and risk factorscause of this disorder is unknown.
early life experiences, such as particularly insensitive parenting, are thought to play a role in the development of this disorder.. symptomsa person with narcissistic personality disorder may:.
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Chaserious
It doesn't stop at the GB. Anyone who has come into this religion in the past 75 years and decided they are "annointed" is either delusional, narcissitic, or something else. I mean, how can you be in a religion that teaches there are 144,000 who go to heaven and the number has already been filled, but then you decide that you are one of that number? You have to either be a baller or a whack job. If that's not a sense of self-importance and need for attention, I don't know what is.
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Menlo Park Legal Advisor Tells All
by Juan Viejo2 insomeone sent me a link to the anoninsurrection youtube page.
i found eleven videos documenting an interview with the legal advisor for the former menlo park kingdom hall elders.
you can find them here: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=plszmu_qv0dgtco2wl5bnjdx12ny2_cmoo .. i've also published the entire set of eleven along with my comments on ex-jw.com.
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Chaserious
Has this court document been posted elsewhere on JWN? I couldn't find it.
http://docs.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/california/candce/3:2012cv01372/254011/94/
It is a 10/26/12 decision in federal court dismissing the claims of the removed Menlo Park elders who are still fighting. It made for a very interesting read. It appears that they filed a separate lawsuit alleging some kind of conspiracy involving the court staff, the police department accepting bribes, and JP Morgan and other financial institutions cooperating with the WT-loyal elders in perpetating financial frauds. I thought I would post it in this thread since it seems to relate to the same events that "John Steele" was claiming before the videos were removed. Although it was dismissed in the linked decision, it seems there may be an appeal with the federal appeals court.
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Ugh. Attended a funeral recently at the KH...
by Muddy Waters ini can't believe how horrid this experience was.
first, the thought of going into a kh again filled me with total anxiety and even nausea.. .
second, couldn't believe how much time it took to get ready to get there.
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Chaserious
My first funeral experience after leaving JWs was a Friends (Quaker) funeral. There was no sermon and anyone could stand up at their seat and say anything. The family spoke in the same format after friends and colleagues were finished. This went on for about two hours. I thought it was an excellent way to memorialize a loved one and much more personal and moving than the cookie cutter funeral talks I was used to. I decided that's the kind of funeral I'd like to have, provided my survivors can round up enough folks to attend.
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DFing....Human Rights Violation and DEFAMATION of character?
by Terry in>>>>>>>>>no one can allow human rights to be violated--not even inside the insular confinement of relgious policy>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.
what are "rights" and where do the stem from?.
human equality.
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Perhaps you are right, Pfizzy. I know far less about European law than about American law. Usually these human rights acts only apply to the actions of public bodies, however.
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DFing....Human Rights Violation and DEFAMATION of character?
by Terry in>>>>>>>>>no one can allow human rights to be violated--not even inside the insular confinement of relgious policy>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.
what are "rights" and where do the stem from?.
human equality.
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I understand, but it's not like some person on the street can register a religion and then start breaking laws. What if I made a religion that taught it was OK to drive recklessly? Would I then be able to use my religion against the traffic cop that pulls me over? I don't see how the Watchtower can get away with essentially the same thing, but for twelve decades. I really don't understand how they can be so lawless out in the open. It's dumbfounding to me.
You could not break generally applicable laws. And neither can the Catholic Church or the Watchtower society. Whether it's a religion of one or of a billion, you cannot break a speeding or murder or robbery law because of religious belief. But there is no law that says you must love your family. None that says you must be on good and loving terms with your parents and your children. None that says anyone as an individual has to be respectful of the beliefs of anyone else.
The Universal Declaration of Human Rights that you think you have discovered violations of is simply a declaration. If you are American, you are familiar with The Declaration of Indepenence, a document that talks about everyone's right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Yet you know that it's not the law. You cannot go into a court and make a claim against your neighbor for a Human Rights violation under the Declaration of Independence because his dog poops on your lawn and interferes with your pursuit of happiness.
The UDHR is not the law in the United States or anywhere else. It's a set of principles that forms the basis for international law. Those principles apply to governments. Do you really think it applies to everyone and everything? If your wife won't screw you unless you don't talk about religion to her, has she committed a crime by restricting your freedom of religion? If your mother doesn't want to be close to you anymore because you are a homosexual, or a drug user, or a Republican, or of some other group that she doesn't approve of, is she a Human Rights violator?
A corporation can't shun anyone. People shun because they subscribe to its dogma. And when they realize that shunned status and everything else is just a bunch of meaningless BS, they can leave and flip the org the bird, like so many of us have. I have. My parents haven't spoken to me for years. No one is holding a gun to their head. Human rights violations over run of the mill DFing and DAing is nonsense.
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DUI Defendant Tries to Place Awake With My Prosecutor Daughter
by Justitia Themis inyep.
you read the title correctly.. my daughter is a prosecutor who right this moment is prosecuting a dui crash with major injuries.
the defendant--the drunk driver--just tried to place an awake magazine with her while both of them were in the courtroom.. .
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Chaserious
What a great story... maybe he wanted to get his revenge for being persecuted so he was making sure she is 'taken care of' at the big A. You know, since she can't say she didn't have a chance to hear the good news now.
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companions and carers.
by zeb inyesterday i had the duty of care to take our feline companion of 20 years to the vet to be euthanized.. i took a tin of his fav tuna and gave him a last meal at the vets to settle him as the needle and medication did its work.. he died peacefully and in no pain.
my wife and i buried him in the garden next to a another older moggie.. i had the duty to email this sad news to the family who have largely grown up with him.. i sat in my back room and cried bitterly.
i will miss him terribley and his head rubbs him checking on me once i was in bed and all his ways.. sleep well..... time for another cry..
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So sorry.. I know how you feel. Just lost one suddenly a few months back. Every time my wife and I return home and he isn't there to eagerly greet us like he always was, I miss him. They are part of the family. Best to you and your wife in dealing with your loss.
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DFing....Human Rights Violation and DEFAMATION of character?
by Terry in>>>>>>>>>no one can allow human rights to be violated--not even inside the insular confinement of relgious policy>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.
what are "rights" and where do the stem from?.
human equality.
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Chaserious
Let me see if I can sum up this thread thus far:
1) Terry suggests that actions like labeling people "goats," disfellowshipping announcements in general, declaring that people are going to die at Armageddon, teaching followers to hate apostates, and calling them mentally diseased is not only morally despicable on the part of the Watchtower organization, but also constitute defamation of character and human rights violations from a legal perspective.
2) Some agree fully.
3) Others agree with the morally despicable part but point out that these things are not defamation or human rights violations from a legal standpoint.
4) This having been shown, Terry brings in an entirely new scenario, where now he is talking about children being kidnapped and raped. Even though no one has had the opportunity to respond to this new set of facts, Terry implies that only people like him have the "moral fiber and backbone" to stand up for these victims.
Is that about the size of it?
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THIS got WT Leaders thrown in Jail
by Tallyman inhow many of you were aware that watchtower leaders were .
charged with, tried and convicted of sedition.
during world war i ?.
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Chaserious
Also, they have claimed in the literature that Rutherford was "exonerated" when that wasn't the case. His conviction was overturned on legal procedural grounds and the Justice Department decided not to try the defendants again since the war was over and there was somewhat of a policy of amnesty toward those accused of sedition during the war. Even some who were not successful on appeal, like Eugene Debs (a socialist leader who had denounced the war) had their sentences commuted after the war.
Although the conviction doesn't count and he is presumed innocent since not proven guilty, "exonerate" means to affirmatively prove innocent, such as might happen with DNA evidence. Rutherford and his cronies could have been tried again and people get tried again and convicted all the time after an appeal. The way the WTS has related the history of this is somewhere on the spectrum from misleading to an outright lie and probably closer to a lie.