You could always call their bluff now that they have met their granddaughter and started thinking about the possibility that she is going to be in their life. If you stop going now and give it a month or two maybe they won't want to shun their grandchild too. You could tell them something like you can't find any scriptural justification for people treating other people like pariahs in a house of worship and judicial committees and all of the other nonsense related to DF'ing. I mean, they couldn't openly associate with you and stay in, but maybe they would do it quietly. I don't know if that would be enough for you. If it doesn't work, you could always go back to trying to get reinstated in a couple of months.
Chaserious
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A double life
by raindrops ini am usually a lurker here.
i was disfellowshipped about 3 years ago.
my relationship with my family has never been the same.
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Legal resources for custody battle
by baltar447 inhey jwn.. i have some good friends that are trying to get custody of their wife's daughter from the kid's grandmother who is a jw.
unfortunately she's loaded and they have little means to fight a custody battle.
is there any legal resources that they can reach out to or any attorneys that work on the side of fighting against jws?.
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Chaserious
Have the parental rights been terminated? Has there already been a custody determination by a court in favor of the grandparent? Based on the information you provided, I suspect that the religion angle may not the best thing to focus on.
If rights have not been terminated and this is an original proceeding, there is a presumption that it's in the best interest of child for the natural parent to have custody. The parent should only have to prove that she herself is fit, not that the grandparent is unfit because of her religion or any other reason.
But in addition to what has been provided, if the religion card is going to be played and the attorney is not familiar with these types of cases, I suggest reading and/or have the parents' attorney read Dealing with Jehovah's Witness Custody Cases by Jerry Bergman. Summary is here. The attorney will have the credentials needed to obtain the full article. Or if you PM me an e-mail address, I can send it to you.
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Legal resources for custody battle
by baltar447 inhey jwn.. i have some good friends that are trying to get custody of their wife's daughter from the kid's grandmother who is a jw.
unfortunately she's loaded and they have little means to fight a custody battle.
is there any legal resources that they can reach out to or any attorneys that work on the side of fighting against jws?.
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Chaserious
If the child's grandmother has custody and the parents don't, it sounds like there might be some other piece of the puzzle other than religion at play?
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My decision about "family shunning"
by Gojira_101 insince i've been off work this week because of spring break, i've really been missing my grandma.
when i have left wt (i'm fading and april will be 6 months) and i told her about january, she has been shunning me.
i told myself "i will respect her wishes/decision..etc" this morning i woke up and said "to hell with shunning!
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Chaserious
Gojira - hacking into someone else's e-mail account is a felony, and I would absolutely report her and be insistent that it's investigated if she does it to you. I'm sure your grandmother wouldn't press charges, but you can. Many e-mail programs can tell you when the last time you signed in was (like for gmail, it's in the bottom right), so you can montior that if you think she might hack you. Also some programs let you ask for an alert if you are signed in from a computer other than the one you generally use (Facebook also has this option).
People have actually been convicted of felonies for this. If it happens, contact local police as well as the FBI, since it's a federal crime. Here is one example of an indictment of someone for accessing a co-worker's email account.
http://www.justice.gov/usao/pae/News/2008/jul/mendtepress.pdf
Don't be afraid of auntie screwing up your life. Screw up hers if she breaks the law!
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Why does my family still interact with me?
by stillstuckcruz inhere was my story posted originally about 2 years ago.
http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/205854/1/as-a-witness-what-view-of-the-world-did-you-have-heres-my-story.
and my extended story on jwrecovery:.
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Chaserious
I don't think this forum is limited to those who are having serious difficulties. If things are going well with his family and he wants information that he thinks can help him keep it that way, I don't see the problem.
I have a relative on my wife's side of the family who was baptized, pioneering, etc, then decided he didn't want to be a JW anymore, and moved away and moved in with a wordly girlfriend. The parents went out of their way to not tell the elders about his situation and where he was currently living, phone number, and so on because they didn't want him DF'd. After the smoke cleared in a few years they started associating with him again. He has never been Df'd and has been openly doing lots of things you could be DF'd for and it has been 20+ years. He has attended JW weddings and is basically treated like an unbelieving family member, so it does happen.
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Why does my family still interact with me?
by stillstuckcruz inhere was my story posted originally about 2 years ago.
http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/205854/1/as-a-witness-what-view-of-the-world-did-you-have-heres-my-story.
and my extended story on jwrecovery:.
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Chaserious
Don't be so hostile, Roberta.
OP moved away and is basically inactive. Do you really think every JW is going to be anxious to go out of their way to get their kids shunned?
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Raphael Aron in The Age newspaper: Jehovah's Witnesses 'a cruel cult'
by WinstonSmith inthis popped up on the age website today, might have to buy the paper tomorrow..... http://www.theage.com.au/national/jehovahs-witnesses-a-cruel-cult-20130315-2g5x3.html.
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Yes, but the woman who is quoted at the very beginning is apostate. By reading the article which includes her quotes, one would be letting apostates into his home. It would be no different than having a meal. It's just like the Dateline program - quite simple.
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My decision about "family shunning"
by Gojira_101 insince i've been off work this week because of spring break, i've really been missing my grandma.
when i have left wt (i'm fading and april will be 6 months) and i told her about january, she has been shunning me.
i told myself "i will respect her wishes/decision..etc" this morning i woke up and said "to hell with shunning!
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Chaserious
Sorry to hear about your loss of your grandmother. There is no basis for the evil spinster aunt (I don't know, but that is how I am imagining her) to instigate a restraining order because you write your grandmother a letter every month. Whether she will intercept and trash the letters is another story, though. Best of luck with Grandmom!
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Will Tort Litigations Involving Child Molestations Cause The Governing Body To Make Sweeping Policy Changes?
by frankiespeakin inthese guys on the governing body are all old and set in their ways much like the cardinals of the catholic church, and yet they the cardinals are responding somewhat quicker than the much younger governing body in making and enforcing policy change to protect the children.. perhaps they can't learn the lesson from their long time self made enemy the clergy of christendom.. http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/religion/church_in_crisis.html.
http://www.albanylaw.edu/media/user/faculty/lytton/framing-clergy-sexual-abuse-wm-law-rvw.pdf.
a tort is an act that injures someone in some way, and for which the injured person may sue the wrongdoer for damages.http://www.albanylaw.edu/media/user/faculty/lytton/framing-clergy-sexual-abuse-wm-law-rvw.pdf.
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Chaserious
Mahony is a scumbag. His solution for repeated molester priests was to send them to therapy... with instructions not to tell the therapist about the abuse issues. But there is no chance he will be prosecuted for abuse-related crimes. The statute of limitations has long since run out.
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VICTORIA, AUSTRALIA | The Age newspaper | March 16, 2013 | Slamming the Door on Jehovah's Witnesses
by jwleaks inthe age newspaper | fairfax media | saturday, march 16, 2013. http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/slamming-the-door-on-jehovah-20130315-2g6fo.html.
slamming the door on jehovah's witnesses.
she is an apostate, which sounds like a strange disease, and in many ways it is.
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Chaserious
I bet they can massage those numbers anyway they want. Evangelizing? Teaching? You could probably put almost any expense in those categories. I mean, the whole purpose of the borg is supposed to be teaching and evangelizing, right? And what exactly is the difference between the two?
Also, lumping Donations in with Overseas Aid probably creates an impression that they are more involved with charitable work than they actually are. I am guessing that if they send some of their surpluses to Brooklyn or another branch, it's considered "Donations" and goes in that category. (They are "donating" from WTBTS of Australia to a different charitable organization, WTBTS of Pennsylvania or whatever). I wouldn't be surprised if they funnel extra cash from countries like Australia to the US, where less transparency is required and they can then invest it without having to disclose the returns on the investments or where it is ultimately spent.