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  Are you Ex's still Christian?

  by joel in

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  whassup guys.

  i've spent most of my web time over the last 2 years at another site full of ex-jdubs...i'd say about 50 people post there on occasion...many of that number regularly.. what struck me from the beginning, as i got to know the people posting there was...how many were now atheists...non-believers in god...the bible...pretty much anything they once held sacred as jw's!.

  i dare say...90 some % do not consider themselves christian now!.

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  lol Java!!

  And so true amicus...I was born in San Diego...I'm in the SF Valley now...and hangout/surf at the beaches you mentioned...cowabunga dude!

  Pax,
  joel
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  Are you Ex's still Christian?

  by joel in

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  whassup guys.

  i've spent most of my web time over the last 2 years at another site full of ex-jdubs...i'd say about 50 people post there on occasion...many of that number regularly.. what struck me from the beginning, as i got to know the people posting there was...how many were now atheists...non-believers in god...the bible...pretty much anything they once held sacred as jw's!.

  i dare say...90 some % do not consider themselves christian now!.

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  Yup waiting...that's would be true...but also...

  What do you get when you cross an atheist with a Jehovah's Witness? Someone who doesn't have anything to say once they knock on your door.

  
  Pax,
  joel
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  Platlets...can WTBTS policy be defended?

  by joel in

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  if this topic has been addressed already...sorry...just ignore it.... if not...i would like to hear from those who would defend this policy....or who see the inconsistencies in the views on blood but the wtbts.. .

  the following is something i read on at another site.

  there is no question that the watchtower's blood policy needlessly kills jw children.

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  Wow Grunt..good points...

  I particularly thought you made one profound statement, that I totally agree with...when you said...
  "...to the rejection of Christ as mediator and the partaking of the Emblems which have really denied the rank and file their very Christianity."

  How ironically true...and sad!

  Pax,
  joel
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  Platlets...can WTBTS policy be defended?

  by joel in

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  if this topic has been addressed already...sorry...just ignore it.... if not...i would like to hear from those who would defend this policy....or who see the inconsistencies in the views on blood but the wtbts.. .

  the following is something i read on at another site.

  there is no question that the watchtower's blood policy needlessly kills jw children.

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  Well..after all that been said by us here and by the WTBTS...can anyone say that people have not died needlessly because they were confussed...and so could not make an informed decission according to their own conscience...I mean...just read what some poor honest-hearted JW has to decipher...

  WT 6/15/200
  Just as blood plasma can be a source of various fractions, the other primary components (red cells, white cells, platelets) can be processed to isolate smaller parts. For example, white blood cells may be a source of interferons and interleukins, used to treat some viral infections and cancers. Platelets can be processed to extract a wound healing factor. And other medicines are coming along that involved (at least initially)
  extracts from blood components. Such therapies are not transfusions of those primary components; they usually involve parts or fractions thereof.
  Should Christians accept these fractions in medical treatment? We cannot say. The Bible does not give details, so a Christian must make his own conscientious decision before God.
  Some would refuse anything derived from blood (even fractions intended to provide temporary passive immunity). That is how they understand God's command to 'abstain from blood.' They reason that his law to Israel
  required that blood removed from a creature be 'poured out on the ground.' (Deuteronomy 12: 22-24) Why is that relevant? Well, to prepare gamma globulin, blood-based clotting factors, and so on, requires that blood be collected and processed. Hence, some Christians reject such products, just as they reject transfusions of whole blood or of its four primary
  components. Their sincere, conscientious stand should be respected.
  Other Christians decide differently. They too refuse transfusions of whole blood, red cells, white cells, platelets, or plasma. Yet, they might allow a physician to treat them with a fraction extracted from the primary
  components. Even here there may be differences. One Christian may accept a gamma globulin injection, but he may or may not agree to an injection containing something extracted from red or white cells. Overall, though, what might lead some Christians to conclude that they could accept blood fractions?
  SUGGESTED QUESTIONS FOR THE DOCTOR
  If you face surgery or a treatment that might involve a blood product, ask:
  Do all the medical personnel involved know that, as one of Jehovah's Witnesses, I direct that no blood transfusions (whole blood, red cells, white cells, platelets, or blood plasma) be given to me under any
  circumstances?
  If any medicine to be prescribed may be made from blood plasma, red or white cells, or platelets, ask:
  Has the medicine been made from one of the four primary blood components? If so, would you explain its makeup?

  Huh!!?...can ya or can't ya!??

  Pax,
  joel
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  Interesting post on surviving Armageddon

  by Sassenach in

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  i found this post on the hourglass2outposts board.

  it is essentially a copy of a watchtower magazine article with some snippets of commentary.

  i'll place the link here, so you can read for yourselves the followups, but will also paste the article.. http://www.cyberpass.net/~h2o/wwwboard/messages/314729.html.

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  Well....I didn't know they were still being so blatant about it...but there's never been any doubt that they have always said that JW's are the only ones who can hope to be saved.
  And believe it or not...I still know some JW's that say..."They never said that!" Yea...right [8>] ...
  

  ... w81 12/1 27 The Path of the Righteous Does Keep Getting Brighter ***
  Jehovah God has also provided his visible organization, his "faithful and discreet slave," made up of spirit-anointed ones ... Unless we are in touch with this channel of communication that God is using, we will not progress along the road to life, no matter how much Bible reading we do."

  Pax,
  joel
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  favorite bands anyone?

  by peaceloveharmony in

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  hey-i'm just starting this somewhat cheesy thread on favorite bands.

  here is my list:.

  phish.

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  Well...I was a 16 year old hippie in '69... so I think all the groups that were mentioned during that time, are the best(beatles-doors-who-csny-led zep-beach boys)

  Now...the groups I like are ones that play my kinda music...with lyrics that don't have f**k and the like in them...

  ...groups like Creed--Third Day--Jennifer Knapp

  Pax,
  joel
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  New To this Forum

  by RJB in

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  this is my first time on this board.

  i have been a jw for over 40 years but currently am very discouraged and not very active.

  i served at bethel for 4 years, 1963-67, spent most of my time at the kindom farms, s.lansing, ny.

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  Welcome RJB,

  We got steppin'-aside from bein' an elder in common...did that about 3 years ago now...and haven't heard boo from my fellow "brothers"...been IA for about 2 years now...and very happy where I am now.
  If ya ever want to talk about where a believer goes from there...I'd be happy to talk about it.
  Welcome again!

  Pax(Peace),
  joel
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  Start the day smiling?

  by VeniceIT in

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  these were posts on h20, but i thought they were cute!.

  posted by englishman [englishman] on january 18, 2001 at 03:57:12 {ix/qaljos6/cpyt8orz2hkm2./eysw}:.

  i expect that this little poem has been posted before i joined h20.. it has always made me smile...... "when god gave out brains, .

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  Gracie! V

  Luv Gen 3:10 thing!

  Pax,
  joel
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  Playstation 2

  by joel in

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  so does anybody ever talk gamein' around here!?.

  playstation games are way cool!

  ssx--fifa--smugglers run.

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  Sass---Crash games are cool...haven't seen any of those type of games fro PS2 yet!

  Simon---Command & Conquer is my type of game too...I like my similar PC games like...Total Annihilation and StarCraft too. I'm lookin' forward to gettin' those type of games for my PS2.
  BTW...RR said that the length of my image at the bottom of my posts is causin' a problem!?? ...haven't noticed myself...if it is...let me know...I'll try somethin' else.

  Seven---If ya like coolboarders...you will luv SSX for PS2...same deal...just waaaay better in every way.

  Thanx guys!

  Pax,
  joel
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  Go LAKERS!!!

  by joel in

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  anybody ever talk sports around here!???.

  go kobe n shaqdaddy!

  caaan yoooou diiiig iiiiit!!!!.

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  Well thanx for the responses guys...errr ladies Whassup with that!

  Sevenofnine---no worries with Shaq n Kobe...that aren't goin' anywhere with the contracts they got...plus Jerry West was brought in to smoooooth things over...media loves this stuff.
  Big Romey fan too...I listen to his radio show most days...He lives by me so I see him n the wife at some breakfast places we both go to.
  Yup...I'm a Clone!

  mommy---I've met Shaq too...yup..he's big alright...met Kobe too..got him to sign his card for me...cool guys!

  Ciao V...like Horry too...he's done nothing but help the Lakers...Love the Dream...he is my favorite centr of all-time...and ya know the Laker have had some good ones!

  harmony---sad stuff has been happenin to your wolves ...luv KG's game and his personality...but I think Kobe is closer to the next Michael than KG...he's got more freedom to do his thing!

  Thanx again gals!

  Pax,
  joel