the state of california is now considering legistlation to make it easier, in fact very easy, for a victim of pedophilia to sue the church (catholic church is main target of legislation) for significant monetary damages - perhaps shifting the burden of proof somewhat to the perpetrators (priests) and their religious organizations who knew of these child molesters and shifted them around to different parishes.
the watchtower religion will also be significantly affected as the legislation is generic enough to include all religious organizations.
what else will be of concern to the watchtower religion?
The State of California is now considering legistlation to make it easier, in fact very easy, for a victim of pedophilia to sue the Church (Catholic Church is main target of legislation) for significant monetary damages
How realistic is it to believe this legislation will pass? It seems to me like this would create alot of lawsuits, and not to be cynical, but don't you think this will get modified to lessen the number of lawsuits brought and thus water down the overall effect?
i am sure this question has been posted by someone before ...but it wasn't by me so it doesnt count..lol .
to those that post here do you..... a. consider yourself christian.
b. consider yourself pagan.
Ugh. I have no idea what to believe right now. Still trying to form a new world view. I think right now I'm in the "life sucks, then you die" catagory. Of course, I may just be in a bad mood today.
Maybe I could use some of Sentinels lovely philosophy. As nice as it sounds, if I said I believed it, I'd be lying. Too bad. Maybe as I gain more distance from the WTS ... who knows.
- Joe
i'm sure we all believed that we were members of the only true religion.
we knew that other people believed they had the true religion, but we knew they were wrong because we had the true religion.
all other religions doctrines were mind shatteringly wrong and ours were brilliantly clear and overwhelmingly right.
Edited 'cause Dakota beat me to post John 13:34, 35. (must not have had to dig around to find a bible like I did)
I salute you!
Edited by - joeshmoe on 22 June 2002 23:42:56
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for those of you who may be noticing my absence from this board for the next 8 weeks, take note that i'll be working as a summer camp monitor during that time.
believe me, i couldn't be farther from a computer where i'll be working.... take care,.
Summer camp monitor huh?
Yeah, I remeber your type. Always trying to stifle my only oppurtunities for sexual exploration. Ah the memories...
Have a great time and don't be too hard on those kids!
i'm sure we all believed that we were members of the only true religion.
we knew that other people believed they had the true religion, but we knew they were wrong because we had the true religion.
all other religions doctrines were mind shatteringly wrong and ours were brilliantly clear and overwhelmingly right.
I agree with Dakota to some extent, although most of those institutions he listed are operating in an open or fairly open environment -- at least when compared to the witnesses. While they, and their loyal members, may to some extent foster a superior attitude, those claims can be tested. Their members can go to other churches or talk with others and validate those claims from time to time.
In any institutions that are basically a closed environment -- like the witnesses -- there is no need for the group to consider opposing viewpoints or outside opinions. They can be much more outspoken and forceful about being better than everyone else. And their members can never test out these statements (since it's a closed society it's forbidden) so they are taken at face value. I think that gives that "feeling" that they are right and everyone else wrong alot more power.
P.S. Overall, I give you a "G" Dakota, and look forward to your next post!
P.P.S. Now awaiting MY counsel.
Edited by - joeshmoe on 22 June 2002 23:1:23
http://exjw.meetup.com/
go to the link above to support the ex-jehovah's witness monthly and international meetup event.
also, help me spread the word about this wonderful means to bring the exjw community together.. obie
very cool. Thanks for your work in getting this thing started Obie!
well, here are my thoughts on the subject.
we sit here and bash the wbts for having gender separation, but what about us apostates?
do the women apostates carry as much weight as the men, and why do you say so?
LDH,
well, hmm. I guess I'm at the very beginning of a journey you've been on for a long time, so I don't feel I can say much. But i will say this. No matter how balanced and reasonable your arguments are, if they are delivered in an extreme style, that's all most people will see. I don't think a confrontational style wins any converts in this.
Of course, I can't see things from your perspective and I may be flat wrong in your case. If honey ain't workin' maybe you do gotta break out the Louisville Slugger!!
i was sitting here thinking about my childhood for a while.
i was just thinking about how angry and disturbed i was at a very young age.
i was raised from the womb to be a jws,my dad was a elder and all that.
space,
Glad you're here!! I'm new here myself. The board is great, as are all the contributors.
Hope to read more of your posts!
P.S. I'm glad you're days of doling out beatings and torture are behind you because I bruise easily.
well, here are my thoughts on the subject.
we sit here and bash the wbts for having gender separation, but what about us apostates?
do the women apostates carry as much weight as the men, and why do you say so?
this place is like a lake in the middle of the desert.
Amen brother!
well, here are my thoughts on the subject.
we sit here and bash the wbts for having gender separation, but what about us apostates?
do the women apostates carry as much weight as the men, and why do you say so?
I do think and hope that I've been some encouragement here. I'd hate to think it was more wasted time.
LDH,
I certainly hope (and I do think) you were kidding! I, and I know I can't speak for everyone, but I personally have found the board extraordinarily encouraging and many of your posts in particular.
I'm certainly not the deepest person (intellectually or emotionally) in the world, but even I can appreciate the amount of emotional support on the board -- that's frankly the reason I come.
I've been visiting the board for over a month now, and I've dropped by the bible research section a total of 0 times. Of course, that's just me. But doctrines like DFing, Blood, and 1914 to name a few were the reason I left. I've made my peace with much of that and don't revisit it.
But believe it or not, I really didn't give an overwhelming amount of thought to how I would deal with healing and moving on when I walked away. Just assumed it would automatically happen. Thank god this board and it's contributors was here and that I found it when I did. I'm still whacked, but I AM healing, and I just have to believe that, without the support, I'd be crushed by the enormity of what I -- and all of you -- have been through.
I was naive, sure, but if you think you've "wasted time" or haven't been an encouragement here, you're even more naive than me!!
As to the issue at hand,
I think much of the doctrinal issues are tackled by men for a simple reason that has already been stated elsewhere on the thread -- they have access to, and deal with, the 'nuts-and-bolts' of the org. -- and that behind the scenes stuff going on in the org is handled by men after all! And with the org's strong male dominant structure, men just have more of the goods on the org.
Frankly, if it was just a matter of courage and intelligence, the ratios would probably be reversed.
