Utopian_Raindrops

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  The WT and Paranoia

  by jgnat in

  1. watchtower
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  do you see the pattern?

  wt october 1, 2002 jehovah blesses and protects those who are obedient

  p. 18..no doubt prior to and during that time, gods people will experience major tests of their faith and obedience.. wt october 1, 2002 cultivate obedience as the end draws near.

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  jgnat,

  I enjoyed your post and I do believe The WTBS does get paraniod as all christian groups are persecuted and they behave as if it is exclusively JW.(Reminds me of Mormons)

  It's the "They're All Out To Get Us So We Better Stick To Our Own" gag...you know?

  BUT...Unlike other Religious groups...JW's do not bare arms. So who will get violently hurt by them.

  Isolated yes......if someone allows it...as I did for years. Feelings hurt....yes....I experianced that for years.

  But Violently Hurt??? What JW would kill another human? I don't think one practicing JW would and I don't believe The GB would make that order or even hint at it.

  When they say ,"Still, in Jehovahs due time, their lies are always exposed, and their "ignorant talk" is effectively muzzled."

  They mean Jehovah will do it...not any human.

  Personally, I think Jehovah Gonna muzzel them and everyone cause we're all probly going to be surprised!

  I don't think a single human knows what's going to happen or what Har-Mageddon realy is going to be like.....not even me..hehehehehe

  But still your post did show how paranoia is used as a controlling method.

  Why do religions think they need punishments and fear to make people behave?

  I think the real message of Christ is that with Love you don't need a threat to make you be a good neighbor,friend,family memebr,shepard of the flock,or even sheep like one.

  If you have real love you just want to be good to everyone and you do the best you can.It isn't threats that make good people...it is love.

  You Will Know Them By Thier Love

  and I think all here agree with that....that is why this place is so great
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  Jews VS Mormons

  by Adam in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this week on the radio, i heard that the jewish higherarchy is all full of piss and vinigar because the mormons apparently aren't holding up their end of a bargan reached several years ago.

  seems that mormons believe that posthumus baptizing (i think it's just a verbal thing, i doubt they pour water over corpses) allows the individual the choice of chosing the right faith (theirs of course) after mortal death.

  because of this belief, they were posthumusly baptizing jews who died in the holocost.

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  I was engaged to a Mormon guy once and of course became Momon at the time to suit him

  Anyway...they have this ritual practice of Baptising the dead...a live person stands in for them and gets dunked over and over...and others take turns being dunked over and over ...as the names of dead persons are read off. This is done in The Temples that only Mormons in good standing and having been baptised at least one year can enter into.

  Did you know even after you die...they can disfellowship/excomunicate you??

  Seems from an Ensign I read.....it is considered scripture and more acurate then the bible(go figure a magazine! More acurate then the word of God) Dead persons are disembodied and waiting in great discumfort to be reunited with thier perfect Celestual Bodies on a Celestial Earth!

  If they find out you did something bad b4 you died they can then take action and remove you from the flock! I mean now that your dead and gone your the worst association of all!! LOL

  bye 4 now

  agape,

  Utopian_Raindrops
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  I was once an angel on a tree.......please read...

  by Jesika in

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  2. friends

  this was inspired by the story freedom96 posted earlier.

  i was in foster care and was placed there right before halloween.

  i celebrated my first halloween, and thanksgiving.

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  What a wonderful experiance for you and everyone Jesika.......everytime I read one of your posts I think you must have always been a very brave and yet caring person.

  So much for one person to endure and yet you are standing so strong!

  I have never seen those angels on trees at the mall here but, some years I have donated toys for the "Toys For Tots" The Marines sponsor here. Even when I was JW I did this and when asked why...I would say I couldn't imagine a child who knows nothing about Jehovah having to do without on X-mas day and feeling so sad and alone thinking this was God's Holiday and he cared nothing for them. To ease my conscience I would put a small my book of bible stories in each boxed toy.

  This year though Thanx 2 you Jes I am going to see if I can find an Angel on a tree and make his or her day a special one.
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  Let him that hath understanding: 6-6-6

  by Focus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  among some wonderful material from elsewhere, http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=42268&site=3 asks where lies the exact center (of wickedness).. exact center?

  per the current jw "encyclopedia", "insight on the scriptures" volume 1 p296 states:.

  "bethel .. became renowned as a center of false worship".

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  Gotta love ya Focus!!
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  My Son

  by Windchaser in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i have three living children.

  one i gave up for adoption, so i never hear from him.

  my only daughter doesn't speak to me because she hated being a jw and hated me for forcing it on her.

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  Geez you got me crying!!! Here's a ((((hugs))))

  Windchaser,

  Thanks for sharing this with us....so many here have been seperated from family and friends and here you have a true story of hope.

  I didn't meet my biological dad till I was 21 and all my life I thought he hated me. When we finaly met and spoke I found out all his reasons for how he handled things and learned all about his life. I only had one child then and even moved in with him and his wife and my siblings for 6 months. A few years later he died of cancer.....how very blessed we were to spend that time and get to know each other.

  Let us all know when you are offical grandparent and how things go.

  I am sure your daughter will oneday come around too...knowing you are no longer JW....and you can all heal and be a family again!!

  I think yours is the best post I read today!!

  Thankz Sugar!!!

  agape,

  Utopian_Raindrops
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  Recovering from shunning

  by Elsewhere in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  how does one recover from being shunned?

  my family is shunning me.

  so is everyone i grew up with since i was raised in the borg.

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  (((((((hugs)))))) dede and everyone!! I can not believe how so many have been so hurt unjustly in the name of GOD! (((((((hugs)))))) dede you always seem to touch my heart 
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  For Dana's "EVIL GERBIL"

  by Utopian_Raindrops in

  1. social
  2. humour

  ok on this thread below dana told of her ordeal with her gerbil !!

  2 funny!.

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=42255&site=3&page=1.

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  LOL Dana!! Woe is you!!

  I know what you mean!! I can't get my"Evil Gerbil" loving daughter off that site and back to school work!!! Do not these ungratful children know all us parents go through for them and thier Wikkid pets???

  Hey, now that the kids are home....did you get the gerbil back in it's cage?
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  Recovering from shunning

  by Elsewhere in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  how does one recover from being shunned?

  my family is shunning me.

  so is everyone i grew up with since i was raised in the borg.

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  ((((((hugs)))))) Elsewhere

  I would like the answer to your question also......all my family is wordly....but, except for my parents I shyed away from them and so wasn't involved with them because they were"WORLDLY". I feel like a jerk if I walk up and say..."hey...I know I have only spoken to you 3 times in 15 years,,,,,but wanna go to a ball game?"

  My parents are my kids Grandparents and I didn't have the heart to cut them out....so we have them.....still I made JW's my family.......and now I am dissed. Unrightiously(I know...many innocent in jail)

  Still the shunning hurts to the innermost part of your being......you feel you'll never be the same....and even if reinstated the damage will just keep festering. And I don't mean anger or hate....but ultimate sadness. How can I look at people I loved so much in the same way again.....How can I believe when they say they care......when they abandoned me and my children in our greatest need?

  There is an invisible wall between me and the worldly....I can talk to them...joke with them....but if one says....your cool.....wanna go to a movie....I'm like...sorry busy....no can do. You should see the puzzled look. Now I feel there will be even if reinstated an invisible wall between me and the cong.......this damage is done and seems to be life lasting one.

  I wish I could give hope...this is not a very Utopian post

  I think therapy is an answer and meeting with X-JW's as already sugested........

  I'd say since you have the added Heart Break

  I hope and pray elsewhere you find the peace and love you need.

  agape,

  Utopian_Raindrops
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  Just when I thought it was safe...

  by safe4kids in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  to go upstairs:.

  ok, the weirdest thing in the world, at least in my world, just .

  happened!!!

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  If I say what Richard Gere did with Gerbils you'll get sick.....and it is ADULT conversation...lol...and I never thought it was TRUE......Big Tex.....is it true???lol
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  Prophetic Poverty and Delicious Torture!

  by LDH in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  well, kids, it's that time of year again!!!

  the time of the year when the rest of the western world slows down just a little, gives thanks for what they have and stops bitching about what they don't have, and thinks of lending a helping hand to their neighbors a little bit more....you get the idea!

  i wonder what those knuckleheads the jws will be doing?

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  Your post is so right on LDH and understandably done in a sarcastic manor.

  Did the GB ever noticed Jesus did not have a place to rest his head.......but HE Did Collect for the POOR!!!

  Hmmmm makes one think.......Jesus who could have rightfully said Preaching work only...my Father will take care of the poor later choose to take care of poor persons PHYSICAL as well as SPIRITUAL needs! Plus Jesus went homeless to do it!!

  I like to read about spiritual people from the past in all ages and Ignacio Loyola a spanish very wealthy aristocrat and knight was once injured in battel....he ended up in a monestary for 6 months with nothing but the bible and "Bible Based" publications to keep him company. After he was healed he repented all his sins......gave all his riches to the poor....and went around preaching!! He no longer ever tried to be wealthy again but, dedicated his life to God. He was very often arrested for preaching with out a degree and so later on he got sick of this and did get a degree.

  Ignacio was one of the formers of the Jesuit priesthood at the time when the Jesuits were known as the Conscience of the church. These men all vowed poverty and to help the poor.....the church became angry with them and would kill them......so throughout europe you can find homes that have hidden compartments where people hid These special Priests from Church officals.

  Ignacio noticed that one reason people were poor was that they lacked education and so he started schools that were to be free to the poor children so thay they could grow to suport thier familys in a comfortable manor. Notice he did not go back to being wealthy himself but, still dedicated his life to teaching of God and Jesus and makeing the poors life more comfortable in this world.

  This he did because He loved Jesus and Jesus' true message and he loved His creator very much!

  Couldn't The GB who have big buildings and beautiful lands.....cumfortable beds....and health insurance and retirement homes....when there are poor people doing with out through out the world....when there are poor JW doing without World Wide......Couldn't they learn from this man?

  If one does research....you can find many more like Ignacio throughout history...even today.

  You will know them by thier love

  Edited by - Utopian_Raindrops on 12 December 2002 16:28:43