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  Lost in translation? An interesting find on this week WT study. English version vs Spanish version.

  by onemore in

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  i was doing some wt reading why superintendentes itinerantes as opposed to superintendentes viajante?

  maybe all those rumors about the end of the c.o arrangement are trueafter all.

  i got excited thinking that i was going to call it first on this forum.

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  its the July 15, 2010 WT: "Have a Full Share in the Great Spiritual Harvest" pg. 20.
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  Lost in translation? An interesting find on this week WT study. English version vs Spanish version.

  by onemore in

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  i was doing some wt reading why superintendentes itinerantes as opposed to superintendentes viajante?

  maybe all those rumors about the end of the c.o arrangement are trueafter all.

  i got excited thinking that i was going to call it first on this forum.

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  I was doing some WT reading , you know…to see what my “bro and sis” will be studying this Sunday. I was reading the Spanish version and found a new term on paragraph 19 “superintendentes itinerantes”, I thought, why “superintendentes itinerantes” as opposed to “superintendentes viajante”? as the latter is the title by which traveling overseers are called in Spanish…well, I thought…maybe all those rumors about the end of the C.O arrangement are trueafter all. I got excited thinking that I was going to “call it first” on this forum. So I decided to check up the English WT just to see what was the English version of the new term, I was expecting to see “itinerant overseer”…but I found the same, go’ol “traveling elder” which…I think still applies to “traveling overseer” or “circuit overseer”. Boomer! But wait…there was something that jump right in front of my eyes. Notice the difference:

  The WT English version paragraph 19: “They went on to serve as members of the governing body , as missionaries, and as traveling elders, and they played a key role in preaching the good news…”

  The WT Spanish version paragraph 19: “incluso llegaron a ser miembros del Cuerpo Gobernante, misioneros y superintendentes itinerantes…”

  Why “governing body ” in lower case for the English speaking JW, but “Governing Body” in upper case for the Spanish speaking JW?

  Lost in translation? Or a deliberate attempt to tame down the “claim of authority” to the English speaking JW, while maintaining the authoritative langue for the “submissive” and “obedient” Spanish speaking JW?

  Is this another case of “double standards” by the WT?

  What’s your opinion?

  Onemore.
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  How it happened....

  by AK - Jeff in

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  i was reflecting today on just how it happened.

  how did i, a man who believed himself to be a clean worshiper of the most holy god, have a crisis of faith that resulted in my current state of affairs?

  how did i get here, when i was not sure even which way the wind was about to blow me?.

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  Profound words my friend,

  I will not take for granted a moment of the glorious experiences called life .

  I second that motion.
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  Bethel Rules

  by brotherdan in

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  this was brought up just in passing on another thread.

  but i wanted to see if there are any bethelites or ex bethelites that remember some of the crazy rules we had to follow when we were there..

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  Like I said, not sure if that was just a legend, or if it actually happened. But EVERYONE knew about that story. It was usually talked about when talking about other bethel "secrets", like suicides and deaths of various bethelites.

  

  Whaaaaat!?
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  Are You A Better Person Since Leaving The Witnesses?

  by minimus in

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  are you a better neighbor, friend, husband, wife, etc.

  i'm much less judgmental of what people do or think.

  i'm more tolerant and i think i have real friends that are not as conditional as my jw brethren.. what about you?.

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  More optimistic and less consumed with guilt.
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  Find refreshment in spiritual things - this weeks tower.

  by Cook My Socks UK in

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  2. bible

  i just thought that i would share an observation regarding par 3 of this weeks wt study.

  the paragraph says in part " jehovah's witnesses find genuine refreshment through up building christian fellowship".. .

  i am wondering if any readers / posters on this forum that still do or used to attend meetings have any thoughts on this.

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  Ever since I've been missing more meetings....the thought of going to one makes me wanna... mentally.
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  The Organization is like...(joke)

  by onemore in

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  the organization is like a tree full of monkeys, all on different limbs at different levels.. .

  some monkeys are climbing up...some down.. the monkeys on top look down and see a tree full of smiling faces.

  the monkeys on the bottom look up and see nothing but a$$holes..

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  The organization is like a tree full of monkeys, all on different limbs at different levels.
  
  

  Some monkeys are climbing up...some down.
  The monkeys on top look down and see a tree full of smiling faces.
  The monkeys on the bottom look up and see nothing but a$$holes.
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  Interesting quote on leadership - what do you think re: the Governing Body?

  by sir82 in

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  today i read a newspaper columnist who wrote something that caught my attention:.

  "...obedience is a natural response to effective leadership, and this is true regardless of whether the people being led are adults or children.".

  now, think about the gb.. virtually every wt "study edition" contains at least one, if not several, reminders about how we should "obey the gb".. dozens of the songs in the new song book extol how worthy of obedience & devotion the gb is.. each assembly & convention features dozens of reminders on how important it is to be obedient & submissive to the gb.. service meeting parts routinely offer "loving reminders" of how jws should obey the gb re: conventions, literature, donations, etc.. .

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  They posture authority because they know that, biblically speaking, they have none.

  P.S.

  I once asked my wife, what will make you leave the organization? She responded, “I would “consider” leaving the org. if I see that the Governing Body I demanding more obedience and submission to their leadership”. They are doing just that more and more, she sees it now, and the GB is actually helping me to leave the organization with my wife. So, I hope they keep going obedience crazy in the next few months and years.

  I think the turning point for her was that WT study about not embracing your mate during prayer, and the new songs….that did it.
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  Why Do Witnesses (and others) Continue to Defend So STRONGLY Things That They Can't Absolutely Prove are True or Exist?

  by Crisis of Conscience in

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  this is a little bit of a rant but i need to vent.

  so i apologize if some things aren't clear.

  just ask and i will do my best to explain.. i'm really trying to be patient with my wife.

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  I feel you CoC.
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  How do I tell my elderly JW mother that...?

  by onemore in

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  my wife asked me last night: how do i tell my mother that we have been living a lie?

  then she said: she is in her 70s, all of her friends are jws, she has a routine, things to do that keeps her busy every day, field service, meetings, visiting her jw friends, assemblies, etc.

  why spoil that to her?

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  Thank you all for your kind responses.

  I’m inclined towards suggesting to my wife to leave her mother alone and step in only if she’s being really hurt by the WT’s policies; but that at one point we will have to address with her our “inactivity” and disillusion with the organization. The downside to this is that she’ll represent the only thing fully attaching my wife and I to the WT organization, and it looks like she is going to be around for another 20 to 30 years… (And I really want to move on and don’t plan to live a lie or in hiding for that long).

  The WT has done at great job at creating a system that virtually makes impossible to leave the organization without some serious collateral damage. Just as I was making progress in leaving together with my wife and basically achieving a clean fade (which has taken a lot of energy from me)…this new development comes along. I’m trying to see it as a small set back (so that I don’t lose my focus), which gives me more reasons to really really hate the culture of this abusive cultish religion.

  Again, thank you all for all your good comments and suggestion, once again you are being of great help in this journey.