Posts by JosephMalik

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2 Questions For AGuest : )))

by snowbird in

a definition of god that works for me: the supernatural being(s) conceived as the perfect and omnipotent and omniscient originator(s) and ruler(s) of the universe; the object(s) of worship by those who believe thusly.. *i added the parentheticals because i believe there are two beings that make up the one god.*.

1. do you agree with that definition?.

2. what do you believe was the role of the son before his incarnation, and do you believe he is a creature?.

JosephMalik

He didn't READ it somewhere. He HEARD it.

Aguest,

This assumes that Peter was there at that Baptism. Where is your proof? We know that John the Baptist was there and what did John or anyone else that was present hear? Matt 3:17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. Or in John we learn: John 1:33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost. 34 And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God. Peter heard nothing at this baptism. I know since it was not a direct revelation from the Father in heaven as you teach. Our Lord's words to Peter meant something else. How do I know this. Because John in this same chapter of this Gospel revealed it like this: 1:40 One of the two who heard John speak and followed Jesus was Andrew, Simon Peter’s brother. 41 He first found his own brother Simon and said to him, “We have found the Messiah” (which means Christ). That is the truth and John recorded it for us. Then what did Jesus mean when he said "flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven." We know that it was Andrew a man of flesh and blood, but our Lord took this further and taught that it was not Andrew that caused Peter to come to this conclusion. Peter came to this conclusion another way. After all our Lord referred to the words in scripture as being from the Father and they do speak to us all even today. In that case Peter heard it the way John the Baptiser heard his message from the Father who is in heaven that was responsible for such texts. We know this since Jesus said about such writings: Joh 5:47 But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe my words?” Or Paul who said: Ro 16:26 but has now been disclosed and through the prophetic writings has been made known to all nations, according to the command of the eternal God, to bring about the obedience of faith— 2Ti 3:15 and how from childhood you have been acquainted with the sacred writings, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. This is Jewish terminology, the way they thought and spoke. I cannot believe what you are saying about Peter. I believe what Jesus taught about scripture and the way Jesus understood Peter came this conclusion.

Joseph

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2 Questions For AGuest : )))

by snowbird in

a definition of god that works for me: the supernatural being(s) conceived as the perfect and omnipotent and omniscient originator(s) and ruler(s) of the universe; the object(s) of worship by those who believe thusly.. *i added the parentheticals because i believe there are two beings that make up the one god.*.

1. do you agree with that definition?.

2. what do you believe was the role of the son before his incarnation, and do you believe he is a creature?.

JosephMalik

when the very verses you and I are eferring to weren't even set down IN writing, yet?

Aguest,

But they knew and we know and they are truth. How could that be? 25 These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you. 26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. (John 14:25-26) They had the memory, this gift of remembrance and would see to it that these words became scripture. The disciples back than had a head start over us and wrote later but this changes nothing. Without this truth where would we be? Where would you be? Still searching the Hebrew texts the way they were looking for the Messiah to come. Or Elijah at Passover.

But because of such texts from the Father that so many searched. there were some among them could answer this question: Matt 16:13 When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am? 14 And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets. 15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? 16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. 17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

Joseph

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2 Questions For AGuest : )))

by snowbird in

a definition of god that works for me: the supernatural being(s) conceived as the perfect and omnipotent and omniscient originator(s) and ruler(s) of the universe; the object(s) of worship by those who believe thusly.. *i added the parentheticals because i believe there are two beings that make up the one god.*.

1. do you agree with that definition?.

2. what do you believe was the role of the son before his incarnation, and do you believe he is a creature?.

JosephMalik

truth ... cannot sanctify you. It CANNOT.

Aguest,

I take it you mean the words of our Lord which stated: John 17:17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth. Am I to believe you or Jesus? Well I believe Jesus when he said this. You see I realize what he meant when he said this because he explained it: 17:18 As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world. . . 21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. 22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: I do not try to alter such words because they were based upon "thy truth" the truth that his Father provided long ago, which truth brought them to this man at this time and these men would obey him. Instead of following the Law of Israel they would now witness for this Jesus when he sent them into the world. Without this word of truth, they never would have come to this conclusion and would still be sacrificing animals for the forgiveness of sins.

Joseph

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2 Questions For AGuest : )))

by snowbird in

a definition of god that works for me: the supernatural being(s) conceived as the perfect and omnipotent and omniscient originator(s) and ruler(s) of the universe; the object(s) of worship by those who believe thusly.. *i added the parentheticals because i believe there are two beings that make up the one god.*.

1. do you agree with that definition?.

2. what do you believe was the role of the son before his incarnation, and do you believe he is a creature?.

JosephMalik

“Sanctify them by Your truth. Your word is truth. As You sent Me into the world, I also have sent them into the world.

AGuest,

The word of God is Truth just as Jesus taught in this verse. That does not change simply because Jesus fulfilled such truth contained in this word of God later. For example the verse you parse above read: 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. How does that change anything? No longer would we have a way to the Father throught a Law covenant the way Jesus worshipped and they worshiped for thousands of years. Our way to the Father is now through Christ. You see I believe Jesus and do not try to alter what he is saying.

When you said: the Holy Spirit and Holy One of Israel, my Lord and Master, JAHESHUA MISCHAJAH, the Son and Christ of the MOST Holy One of Israel, whose name is JAH...

In my document I was able to show that the faith was identified as Holy Spirit. This is but one of many uses for this expression. We should all be the Holy Spirit individually and collectively. We should all partake of this Holy one of Israel and keep his commandments. I say this so that you may get the SENSE of these truths. As our Lord said: Joh 17:17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth. And the mission from this time on would be 18 As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world. 19 And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth. 20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;

When it comes to bearing witness we know that the scriptues also did this which makes them truth as well: John 5:37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape. 38 And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not.

Joseph

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Question about how and when to share your views.

by paul from cleveland in

jw
friends

if you had a close relative or friend that told you they were getting baptized as a jw, would you try to influence their decision or just let it go.

my sister told me recently that she is getting baptized.

i'm undecided about what to do... if anything.

JosephMalik

don't want to unduly influence her, but perhaps just share a few points

Paul,

You do want to unduly influence her and quick. Otherwise is could cost her life and for what? Watchtower stupidity. Sad that so few have the capability to do this even after being involved all their lives. And the reason is they really learned anything of substance. They never really learned what the scriptures were telling them. But to protect her now and in the future, you have no choice but to intervene, after all they did. No one else is going to do this for her so be strong and stop feeling sorry for yourself and how you will be treated. The are going to cut you out anyway if they can.

Joseph

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2 Questions For AGuest : )))

by snowbird in

a definition of god that works for me: the supernatural being(s) conceived as the perfect and omnipotent and omniscient originator(s) and ruler(s) of the universe; the object(s) of worship by those who believe thusly.. *i added the parentheticals because i believe there are two beings that make up the one god.*.

1. do you agree with that definition?.

2. what do you believe was the role of the son before his incarnation, and do you believe he is a creature?.

JosephMalik

In summation, here is my two cents worth:

http://home.earthlink.net/~jmalik/beytrin.htm

Joseph

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Bible Research help needed.

by cantleave in

my wife and i want to start looking afresh at the bible, go back to basics as it were.. what have people here found to be the best approach?.

what translations of the bible would you reccomend (i have the nwt).

what commentaries / texts have people found most useful?.

JosephMalik

CL,

You are getting good advice and if you want to look at information specifically written for JW's you can download the material at:

http://home.earthlink.net/~jmalik/ Click on the pictures to get to the download section. Hope something there helps.

Joseph

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millenial reign

by ssn587 in

have been looking for any other references other than in the book of revelation of christ's 1000 year reign.

if any exist i haven't been able to find them so either one doesn't exist or i am brain dead over this issue.

any help will be much appreciated.

JosephMalik

1Co 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ’s at his coming. 24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. 25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. 27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him. 28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

The thought that a specific amount of time has been allocated for Christ's administration is found here. Putting a literal or symbolic number of years on it does not change this. The Revelation simply gives us a vision of this but does not originate such thinking. Words that seem to indicate permanency do not always mean what we think. Further events and instructions come along the way they did for the Jews which brought an end to their Law. And this was no easy thing for them to accept as it changed their way of worship drastically. We can expect that further information will be given in the future to anyone that makes it this far. As for now we know all that we need to know to qualify and take advantage of this promise.

Joseph

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Confirmation on statement made at assembly this past weekend

by koolaid-man in

jw
friends

i received a message on my telephone voice mail by a person who attended a jehovah's witness assembly this past weekend.

i believe the assembly was in michigan.

the caller told me it was announced from the platform that if a person is not attending the meetings on a regular basis active witnesses should not be associating with them.

JosephMalik

if a person is not attending the meetings on a regular basis active Witnesses should not be associating with them.

Rick

They are afraid. They are vulnerable. They are circling the wagons. Their doctrine is wrong and they know it. This method of restricting information will not work. Disfellowhipping usually results. The ones leaving will not leave them alone and this will just makes them angry so that they will turn over heaven and earth to expose them.

Joseph

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NO Evidence of a "faithful slave" from the 1st Century till Russell...dumb Watchtower logic!

by Witness 007 in

dumb logic.

the 1996 yearbook {i think} says the "faithful slave" has been doing its job since the first century till now 1,900 years...ummm what?.

the watchtower praises martin luther, william tyndale {bible translator} and some others and some small extinct groups who rejected the trinity...but on the whole there is no evidence anywhere of a "slave class" even in all of christendom.

JosephMalik

It seems that, at least according to James, Paul was still under the old covenant because he was born a jew

PSacramento,

That is what James actually did and taught in Jerusalem. Remember this was the very issue that Paul had to confront some 14 years earlier. Men from Jerusalem caused Peter to withdraw from the Gentiles. And the congregation in Antioch appointed Paul and Barnabas to correct the matter at its source. Paul may have thought that the issue was settled then but James now made it clear to Paul that they were not including him in their little note. This matter of Law was after all discussed in nearly all of Paul's letters and it took many more years before James would write a letter to the Jews everywhere that the Law was not required for such a salvation. He showed its shortcomings. James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. 11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. 12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty. It took James a long time to get around to such thinking and his letter now corrected it among the Jews in Paul's territories. Jude his brother was much stronger in condemning those practicing Law and this is all the apology we get from the ones that were doing it for so long. Things were pretty bad and had escalated in to the point of apostasy before the letter known as Hebrews straightened them out. So much for the teaching that a Governing Body existed in Jerusalem. Corrections were being made everywhere in the faith the way Paul corrected Peter except in Jerusalem were such corrections were resisted for most of their lives. I wrote the Watchtower about all this in the 70's and they knew back then but are doing nothing about is because their false doctrines are their main means for controlling their followers.

Joseph