Posts by ambersun

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wife seen part of "dateline" online, about pedophile in JW land

by inbetween in

a short update on my situation.. i am still in, trying to help my family to see the light.

my wife is open to critisize certain aspects of the wts, reads wt articles with a critical mind, but she still views them as gods org, and at times can get quit defensive about it.. last night though, she seemed devastated about a program she watched, reagrding pedophiles (dateline i guess).

she was very disturbed, even to the point of being depressed.

ambersun

My wife is open to critisize certain aspects of the WTS, reads WT articles with a critical mind

she was very disturbed, even to the point of being depressed.

Anyway, I get the impression, her mind is slowly opening up towards information outside the WTS literature, otherwise she would have such a program just clicked off.

Inbetween, it sounds to me that your wife is already well on her way to becoming concious of the truth about 'The Truth'. However, you are right to be cautious. It will no doubt be devastating for her to realise her life has been based round a lie for so long and she will have to come to terms with it in her own time and at her own pace.

Just be there for her to provide the support she needs, then when you feel the time is right introduce her to this site and others like JW Facts - that is if she has not found them for herself by then!

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Something to say next time the Witnesses call.

by fadinfast in

i have just read in these following paragraphs something that would disturb my conscience, notice:.

12 they also saw that there are but two organizations in the universe and that everyone belongs either to god's organization or to satan's, the latter on earth being composed of big business, big politics and big religion.

34 the world's political wild beast rules supreme under the name-number 666, while big politics, big religion, and big business keep that wild beast functioning as an oppressor of mankind and a persecutor of god's people.

ambersun

respond with "yes I've seen another JW minister has been convicted in sex abuse against children"

Sadly, most JWs are conditioned to shut their mind against any deffamitory information from worldlings or apostates so to hit them with something as strong as this on the doorstep will just be like a bullet missing its mark and ricocheting off a nearby wall to most of them, unfortunately. There again, I suppose if it makes even ONE dub sit up and take notice, it is worth a try.

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Children Learning to Think Critically Aged Six!

by lifelong humanist in

yesterday, i started a thread about learning how to thinking critically.. so, imagine my surprise when last night my eldest son phoned to say that his son, my grandson, wanted to speak with my wife and i about a project he had to do at his school.

he has just turned 6 years old.

the project involved asking his parents and then grandparents questions about how things when they were a similar age.. i said that i'd be happy to speak with him, and answer his questions as best i could.

ambersun

Sounds to me that his school are trying to get young minds thinking about more than just answers, but the reasons behind them - a bit more like discovering why we do what we do, and how it involves others...

That is brilliant!

Let's hope other schools are doing this too.

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What does the WTBS make of the growing muslim religon?

by highdose in

i know they love to crow about the dwindling christindom churches but hey what about the muslim or buddist religons?

now these are growing alot and far more than the jw's.... how does that fulfill their profecies hey?.

ambersun

This is an interesting question.

they dont have answers for it

This is probably because the r&f are only able to provide answers that have been fed to them in the Watchtower. Obviously, there has not been a study article about it yet. I wonder if one is planned?

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A truly creepy 2007 public talk by Ciro Aulicino - You Will Be With Me in Paradise

by Tatiana in

i searched for this here and didn't find any posts about it.

i just found this while searching for info as i was debating a jw on another site.

this is the most mind-blowing, spaced-out, insane bunch of mess i've ever heard.

ambersun

Ciro Aulicino's words are identical to the people who made more of 1975 than was actually published.

Yes, I know. That talk gives me the creeps as it takes me back to the late 1960s/early 70s when some of the talks were equally as gruesome and designed to create panic among the r&f so we would all work harder at peddling the WT literature from door to door hoping this would save us from being horrifically killed by Jah in the VERY near future. I used to have nightmares, especially after conventions.

I get really angry when the WT deny some of the things that were said, trying to make out it was all in our imaginations or that we read more into it that was actually implied!

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What Are You Passionate About?

by minimus in

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what's your passion?.

some people are very intense when it comes to politics, religion, jws, sex, love, the arts, music and almost anything that could get them revved up..

ambersun

Art. I love to paint and I am totally unable to walk past an art gallery without going inside and looking at every painting which often drives my family mad.

I can't imagine a world without art, so I guess you could say I am passionate about it

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So which makes more sense? Sex or no sex in the "new system"?

by stillstuckcruz in

obviously jah wouldn't allow for millions of pregnancies in the new system for fear of the same problem today of overpopulation.

so would he throw in sex but not allow for the women to become pregnant?

or would there be just no sex at all?

ambersun

Members of both sexes will again become as Adam was before Eve was formed.

Forgive me for being thick but I just can't get my head round this. Does this mean that women are to be phased out and slowly turned into sexless men over a period of time?

Adam was created male, made in God's image and referred to as a 'he', and this was before Eve was created. How could he be male and sexless? What did he have instead of male genetalia before Eve was created?

Every mammal on earth, regardless of size shape or species have either male or female genetalia.

If all MANkind is eventually to become the same with no distinction between man and woman, are we to presume that it is actually the female of the species who will cease to exist?

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So which makes more sense? Sex or no sex in the "new system"?

by stillstuckcruz in

obviously jah wouldn't allow for millions of pregnancies in the new system for fear of the same problem today of overpopulation.

so would he throw in sex but not allow for the women to become pregnant?

or would there be just no sex at all?

ambersun

Apart from the sex issue, just imagine hundreds of your ancestors all alive at the same time and the same age as yourself

Going back to the sex issue, what would happen when Jehovah decides the earth is full and tells everyone, sorry no more sex - or maybe OK you can have sex but you will never see another baby, or hear the happy sound of children playing, which would make sex pointless anyway. Also if you have been having sex for hundreds of years with the same person it would probably get a bit monotonous.

Another thing, won't it be a bit boring spending eternity sitting in fields wearing 1950s clothes looking at baskets of fruit and having to comfort all the lonely lions and tigers who have no more little children to pet them all day long?

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Insulting Terms used by the WashTowel

by punkofnice in

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loading the language is a propogandist tactic to trigger a reaction in the mind.

a prime example is the word 'apostate'!.

i have been called 'spiritually weak' for quitting field service, meetings etc.. how would you respond (without swearing or giving a punch up the hooter), if you were called this?.

ambersun

Caedes, I see where you are coming from but I think there is a big difference. Many thousands of JWs lives have been severely affected by spending their formative years being described as 'spiritually weak', 'easily lead', 'bad association', 'not humble', 'worldly' etc etc just for having the audacity to think for themselves and not be a robot like the rest of the JWs.

To call the Society 'WashTowl' or indeed far more derogatory terms, is not aimed at anyone personally, or used over and over again by members of their own congregation to mentally break them down in what can only be described as mental and emotional bullying.

You may feel it is hypocritical to use such insulting terms to describe the WTS but the difference is that it is not going to affect anyone as individuals or destroy their confidence, lead to depression and damage their ability to form relationships in their adult lives.

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Are you a fader, Df'd, DA'd, or Still In?

by brotherdan in

i thought this would be an interesting poll that would show everyone the backgrounds of all of us when we left, if we have.. for myself, i am not df'd, but i am attempting a fade.

i still go to some meetings with the wife to help with kids, but that's it.

no commenting or field service.. what about everyone else?.

ambersun

my baptism was just a swim with support

Love it, Nugget. Mine was hardly any better as I was a victim of the "give 'em a 6 month bible study then baptise 'em or forget 'em" regime of the 1960s.

(((((Amelia))))) bless you, and so glad you are finding comfort and support on this board. To think all us cold, wicked, stone hearted apostates are showing you the love you never got from 'God's chosen people'. Speaks volumes doesn't it!!!!