Deludednomore-
it is an amazing thing to look back at how we did laugh at the clergy and dog them- yet we were just a bunch of window washers
how sad
JT
the biggest error wt has continued to make for the last 120yrs is they leave a wonderful paper trail behind - where a serious student of study will have no problem following and seeing that so many of their lofty claims simply don't fly .
case in point - are the elders trained or untrained clergymen as it were?.
well for those of you who have never served as an elder allow me to share with you what elders are told about their training.
Deludednomore-
it is an amazing thing to look back at how we did laugh at the clergy and dog them- yet we were just a bunch of window washers
how sad
JT
the biggest error wt has continued to make for the last 120yrs is they leave a wonderful paper trail behind - where a serious student of study will have no problem following and seeing that so many of their lofty claims simply don't fly .
case in point - are the elders trained or untrained clergymen as it were?.
well for those of you who have never served as an elder allow me to share with you what elders are told about their training.
thinkers wife:
What a collosal mistake to tell an abused woman (or man for that matter) to stay with their mate. What? do they want you to stay until he kills you? And then to top it all off, they torture anyone who breaks out of the mold and has the backbone to get out
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yes i recall the same - the elders told my mom anytime she was having problems with my dad to stay, never leave, no beating, but the mental kind- they never had a lot in common- yet they told her all the time to stay stay - my mom would have left 25yrs ago and her life would be very different today
the elders in your avg congo, despite their well intentions have no business making decisions that in volve folks lives
how sad
JT
people are stupid.
sometimes that is the only way to describe how certain things can happen.
especially is this so when panic, stress or hormones kick in which often serves only dilutes whatever common sense is left remaining.. a couple of examples:.
lATTIE
you have a SICK KIND OF HUMOR- how could you find such and awful thing as that ---Funny-
but then again my wife and I are here rolling on the floor- smile
Great post
james
wow, thank you all so much for the welcome.. .
i will tell you a little about myself and my past.. as much as i can for now anyway.. one of the most scarey parts of joining a group is i am afraid to put my name on here.. will that mean i will get a visit from the elders if i do?
i think they put the fear in me :).. .
mommy says:
There is a certain cleaansing that our mind and heart goes through, just getting it out.
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better words could not have been written in describing the effect of getting yrs of guilt and pain off ones chest
the net provides that bond between folks who for yrs thought that SOMETHING WAS WRONG WITH THEM - when in fact we all were "Bamboolzed and Hoodwinked"
just my 2
JT
wow, thank you all so much for the welcome.. .
i will tell you a little about myself and my past.. as much as i can for now anyway.. one of the most scarey parts of joining a group is i am afraid to put my name on here.. will that mean i will get a visit from the elders if i do?
i think they put the fear in me :).. .
thanks for sharing your story- as we read your post we continue to see the same common thread- one of lost childhood due to some rules made up by a group of guys up in NY who have not paid a phone bill, gas bill or bought a water heater for the house in 20-50- yrs
since i have been here there is one poster who refers to such post as yours as Cry babies or whinning- but i wonder about this guys claim of being part of the WT-
thanks again
and welcome to True freedom
James
the biggest error wt has continued to make for the last 120yrs is they leave a wonderful paper trail behind - where a serious student of study will have no problem following and seeing that so many of their lofty claims simply don't fly .
case in point - are the elders trained or untrained clergymen as it were?.
well for those of you who have never served as an elder allow me to share with you what elders are told about their training.
The Biggest error wt has continued to make for the last 120yrs is they Leave a wonderful Paper Trail behind - where a serious student of Study will have no problem following and seeing that so many of their Lofty claims simply don't fly
Case in point - Are the Elders trained or untrained clergymen as it were?
Well for those of you who have never served as an Elder allow me to share with you what Elders are told about their training
Any current elder or former elder if honest will back me up
When we would go to the Elder School/ 15-hour Refresher course/ meeting with the DO and CO at the Circuit assembly/ and when the CO would come to visit- we are constantly being told
"Brothers you are receiving the FINEST TRAINING on the face of the earth"
"Due to the FACT that we are living in the last days the training that Jah is proving through the Slave equips you bros. for EVERY GOOD WORK"
SO we are made to feel that we are being trained at the feet of Christ Bros. NOW WHO COULD GET ANY BETTER TRAINING
So you know then our training far exceeds the training that some Dude got who has a Ph.D. in Divinity-- Rev Neckbone and Chickenfoot
"If you are black you will get the inside joke" sorry bout that my white bros.
Smile
Anyway--so the elders are always being held up as being far better in our training due to the Slave than any other faith on the earth--
But then all of a sudden when wt is questioned about the men who they have in Leadership roles notice how they try and downplay the training that they have received through the mouth PC of God Himself
######Paducah Sun 1-28-01
Mario Moreno, associate general counsel at the church's New York headquarters...
J.R. Brown, public affairs director for the church,....
Both Brown and Moreno said that the elders, who volunteer and are essentially untrained clergy
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Now are they saying that with that fine textbook known as the Flockbook and 100s of meetings/seminaries and 100's of "Technical Support Bulletins" AKA "LETTERS TO THE BODY" --that elders get monthly these men are merely untrained CLERGY - are they saying that
Despite living so close to the End of the world that the Greatest god in the Universe has chosen to lead not only million folks but billions with UNTRAINED MEN????????
Now let's kick this around while we are at it
What purpose then does a $30-50 million dollar TRAINING CENTER KNOWN AS THE "WT EDUCATION CENTER" IN PATTERSON SERVE THEN?
Are THEY telling the World that
"Yes we built at $50Million Education Center, but we have not trained any of the local elders there so that they will not be both Volunteers and UNTRAINED-
As the WT is constantly being force to address the public we see they have along ways to go-
Do you recall that point on the school where we were told not to use phrases that your audience might not understand well I have to give old JR Brown a "W" on that point:
These guys are so out of touch with the outside world notice what he calls the Authorities:
"If Caesar has a law"
Can you imagine folks reading the paper in the AM and see that jw think that they are living in the time of Rome with old Julius-
Who in the He!! Refers to the cops and the District attorney as "Caesar"
ONLY IN WT WORLD
Just my 2
JT
ps
ONCE AGAIN WE see how the Org will Hang the avg Rank and File out to Dry
how sad
one of the things that has bothered me for years, in this organization is how appointments are made.
its alleged to be done by holy spirit.
or by men whose decisions are effected or influenced by holy spirit.
RR
you are on the money- now we actually have a legally registered corp that is assigned to make appointments
now we were discussing here at our house the legal problems this presents since a legal corp appoints these men does that now mean that they are more than ever responisible for what these guys do?
just my 2
i have made a couple of remarks regarding family dynamics on other threads, but i thought it's be nice to start a new thread.... i'm no psychologist, but suffice it to say i see some similarities here.
(please add to/comment on these thoughts).
the organization wishes to be seen as our mother.
TMS:
you are on the money , i find Bro X comments most interesting in view of the Culture that WT produces in it's members
your post was great
JT
one of the things that has bothered me for years, in this organization is how appointments are made.
its alleged to be done by holy spirit.
or by men whose decisions are effected or influenced by holy spirit.
TR
just calling a spade a spade
smile
JT
one of the things that has bothered me for years, in this organization is how appointments are made.
its alleged to be done by holy spirit.
or by men whose decisions are effected or influenced by holy spirit.
DB++++++panting after every word you utter.+++++++++++
man do i recall that- each new wt in the mail --scanning each article and esp the question from readers looking for any Nugget of NEW lIGHT-
PAYING CLOSe ATTENTION to the Feb 15 WT of each yr as it highlites the up coming DISTRICT CONVENTION FOR NEW LIGHT AND realizing that if we missed something it will be discussed in the Fall in a study article
man they were the days LOOKING FOR THE NEW LIGHT
just my 2
JT