How in the world did they get Paul McCartney to do that? Haha
MrFreeze
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Christmas visit from the elders
by MrFreeze inyes the elders made another stop to continue to try to get me back to the meetings.
my main argument with them has been the incorrect dates.
607, 1914. they said i need to stop focusing on dates.
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MrFreeze
@nancy drew
I love that song and Men at Work.
@scott
When they suggested a study, that's all I could think about. Countin the time. I should have asked them if they were counting this time.
@farkel
They did not ask about masturbation but I assume images of me jerkin the derkin were on their mind. Sickos!
A cult is a cult. No difference really. You put it aptly, same shit, different cult.
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New songbook...
by Snoozy ini have recently made contact on facebook with a witness family that i used to be very good friends with.
they now live in australia..she shared the name of one of their new songbook songs with me and commented that a lot of them sound like they are inspired by prince and michael jackson... if someone want to post it as a link feel free... song 171 "the song of victory".
brought a tear to my eye... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gubabuv2qq.
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MrFreeze
The new songbook is awful. The old one was okay. This is just terrible. Some of the stuff is nearly impossible for untrained people to sing so it just sounds like a big mess.
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Christmas visit from the elders
by MrFreeze inyes the elders made another stop to continue to try to get me back to the meetings.
my main argument with them has been the incorrect dates.
607, 1914. they said i need to stop focusing on dates.
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MrFreeze
It doesn't matter though. None of that will get through to them. They certainly don't want to let me go. What can I say, I did a lot at the hall before I left. They don't want to lose that extra hand. I hope the last comment I made about not changing my opinion hit them and will cause them to cease or at least slow down. It's been non-stop.
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Christmas visit from the elders
by MrFreeze inyes the elders made another stop to continue to try to get me back to the meetings.
my main argument with them has been the incorrect dates.
607, 1914. they said i need to stop focusing on dates.
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MrFreeze
I would have loved to do that. Haha. I really had no choice but to talk with them. Still living at home. Stepdad opened the door. Ugh. I just wanted to sleep in this morning.
The comment about being driven to alcohol was something my friend said to me when I told her about the visit. She knows I like to drink just a little too much. It put a smile on my face anyway when she said that.
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Christmas visit from the elders
by MrFreeze inyes the elders made another stop to continue to try to get me back to the meetings.
my main argument with them has been the incorrect dates.
607, 1914. they said i need to stop focusing on dates.
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MrFreeze
Yes the elders made another stop to continue to try to get me back to the meetings. My main argument with them has been the incorrect dates. 607, 1914. They said I need to stop focusing on dates. The important thing is Jesus' ransom. I responded by saying "If I were to go up on the platform and say maybe 1914 wasn't the date of Jesus' return, would that be acceptable for you?" They were very hesitant to respond to this. Apparently they would have a problem with that. I shouldn't focus on dates, but they sure can! Just so long as those dates agree with the WT.
Another point I brought up was about the millions that would die at Armageddon, having never been given the chance to learn about God. They said "We don't teach that. Jehovah reads hearts." I replied by saying "It's right in the WT." I went to go give them the reference but they didn't want it. Is it really fair that someone should be destroyed because they weren't raised a JW or that the circumstances were never right for them to look into it? How can you possibly eternally punish someone for not taking the JW's seriously? I asked them to put themselves in the shoes of the householder. It's Saturday morning, you get up and make breakfast for your family. You're cooking up some bacon and the JW's knock on your door. By quickly saying "not interested" and shutting the door, you get them off the porch so you can get back to cooking. Is it really fair that he should punished for that? They responded by saying "Jehovah reads hearts." I said "Why preach then? If it's all about heart condition, and not about belonging to Jehovah's Witnesses, why preach?" They replied with the same nonsense they usually do. Blah blah blah.
Then I asked them a really tough question for them to answer, "If I leave Jehovah's Witnesses because I don't believe some of the major teachings, would you say I have a wicked heart?" Their reply was "We don't judge hearts." "Then how do you know that Jehovah still won't find my heart acceptable, if I disagree with some of the things the GB says?" They had no response. At this point they were pretty quick to say "Well we have to get going." Before that though they said "We should probably have a study with you." My response was "My opinion on this is not going to change, so there is no point."
During the discussion they were trying to dig into the reasons for me leaving. It couldn't possibly be the teachings! They asked, "Is it a girl? Is it drugs? Is it alcohol?" No on all three, except the third. In that case however, Jehovah's Witnesses have driven me to alcohol. They also used the opportunity to bash on Christmas. Another fun discussion with these "shepherds".
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Best wishes to those still struggling
by rebel8 inthe holidays can be tough for a few years while you're adjusting.
the guilt of participating in, and enjoying anything related to the holidays can be overwhelming.. you don't have to celebrate any holiday to be a non-jw.
that is entirely up to you.. you may feel like xmas could never have any meaning to you because of your history and pagan roots.
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MrFreeze
Sadly I have nobody to celebrate with or I definitely would. Best wishes to all!
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A letter to my parents stating I dont believe in the Org anymore.
by cyberjesus ini just sent this letter to my dad 3 days ago.
i roughly translated it from spanish, so it has many weird sounding sentences but i just wanted to shared it with the board.
practically i just say good-bye to my family.
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MrFreeze
What a great letter! You have expressed everything I have thought about this religion in a way that's beautiful and non-argumentative. Surely your letter has to at least struck some sort of chord with them.
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Could you ever go back?
by MrFreeze innot that i'm thinking about it, even for a brief nano-second, but something i have thought about is this, is there any way you could go back and not have people look at you with the stink eye?
after admitting your true feelings, how in the world could people ever look at you the same?
if you were in the situation of welcoming someone back, would you be able to look past the errors?
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MrFreeze
Haha Outlaw. I love it.
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Could you ever go back?
by MrFreeze innot that i'm thinking about it, even for a brief nano-second, but something i have thought about is this, is there any way you could go back and not have people look at you with the stink eye?
after admitting your true feelings, how in the world could people ever look at you the same?
if you were in the situation of welcoming someone back, would you be able to look past the errors?
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MrFreeze
Not that I'm thinking about it, even for a brief nano-second, but something I have thought about is this, is there any way you could go back and not have people look at you with the stink eye? After admitting your true feelings, how in the world could people ever look at you the same? If you were in the situation of welcoming someone back, would you be able to look past the errors? I don't think you can ever really go back after coming back. Just my two cents.