Wasn't that Jimmy Swaggart? Oops. Wrong religion.
jukief
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Who was the Overseer caught with prostitutes?
by bj inmakena1 spoke about a co who was a fan of the detroit pistons and he went on:"this same co (perhaps a do years later) was removed because he was caught or finally admitted that he had been consorting with prostitutes.
apparently he paid for this from gifts given to him by wealthier brothers.
does this ring a bell for anyone?
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I NEED ADVICE DESPERATELY!!!
by concerned fiance inhere is my situation: my fiance is now 27 years old.
he was raised as a jw from the age of 2 through 18. at that time, his whole family left the "truth" except for his older brother who had already married another woman from the faith.
for the past 9 years, he has been living his life to the fullest, but still loving god, praying often and he is a truly honest and moral person.
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jukief
Who cares? Maybe there are newbies here who haven't seen those posts. It doesn't hurt to revisit the topic.
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children of the watchtower
by kdk ini have an 8yr old step-daughter caught up in the madness of the jws through unrelenting fear based brainwashing by her mother.
my husband and i would like to know if anyone has been in a similar situation and is able to help us let her know that there is another more loving way of living in this world.
its frightening to see the damage my husbands ex is doing to this inocent little girls mind.
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jukief
We had a good outcome in our family. Alan's daughter was being raised by her finatical JW mother, and after all of us moved to different places (we were even out of the country for a while), we only got to see her a few times a year. We didn't say too much to her directly about the Witnesses, but there were many times our apostate friends visited (including some of those horrid Nowegians), :-) She also went with us to visit friends like Jim Penton and Richard Rawe. I know she heard a lot, and my sister was worried that hearing us and our friends put down the Witnesses would be too traumatic for her. But when she was 14 she surprised us by telling us she didn't want to be a Witness any longer and that she wanted to come live with us.
Don't give up hope. Just show her by example that you are good, decent, loving people, and as she gets older she may be able to see things for herself.
Julie
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Therapy or Another Religion?
by Victor_E inwhile there may be some exceptions the majority of ex jws that leave or that are dfed suffer from deep emotional wounding from their jw experience.
what choices does a person have being in this situation and what are the long-term consequences of their decisions?.
do nothing: this in and of itself is a choice.
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jukief
I did two of the things you list, well, sort of.
1) I went to therapy for about a year. It helped a lot.
2) I joined a non-religion--the UUs. UU isn't really a religion because it doesn't have any dogma and its members include Christians and atheists (and everything inbetween), but it does replace that empty hole left by lack of fellowship and wanting to be part of a group. I like their community spirit and desire to help others. Of course, I haven't gone to a UU meeting in a long time, but that's the great part about it--I don't have to feel guilty if I don't go.
Julie F
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I NEED ADVICE DESPERATELY!!!
by concerned fiance inhere is my situation: my fiance is now 27 years old.
he was raised as a jw from the age of 2 through 18. at that time, his whole family left the "truth" except for his older brother who had already married another woman from the faith.
for the past 9 years, he has been living his life to the fullest, but still loving god, praying often and he is a truly honest and moral person.
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jukief
Hi, and welcome to the board.
I'm so sorry to hear your story; I'm afraid that many JWs and ex-JWs have reacted this way to the terrorist attacks. Others who are more knowledable than me can take on the subject of peace and security. I'd like to respond to your post in general.
I left the Witnesses way back in 1984; I had a lot of doubts and although I hadn't done any deep studying, I knew things weren't right and didn't make sense. But I had, in the back of my mind, the worry that I'd done the wrong thing, that maybe the Witnesses were right and that my kids would die at Armageddon because of my decision. Do you know what finally put those thoughts to rest for me? (And for many other ex-JWs?) Reading Ray Franz's two books: Crisis of Consience and In Search of Christian Freedom. Ray goes into great detail about JW teachings and the way the organization is run. After reading two books, I don't see how your fiance could still believe the Witnesses are right about the Armageddon predictions. Please try to get him to read the books. You can order them from several different places, including FreeMinds.org and Amazon.
I wish you luck, and I hope you can convince your fiance that the Witnesses are wrong, wrong, wrong about this--both for your sake and for his.
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Tick list for establishing whether a cult or not..
by Deacon in1/.milieu control: control of the group environment and communication .
2/.manipulation: leaders are perceived as being chosen by god, history or some supernatural force.
salvation can only be attained through the cult .
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jukief
Deacon, I'm at work and can't get to my library. Is this list from Steven Hassen's "Combatting Cult Mind Control?"
Thanks!
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Society's Press Release about the tragedy
by Esmeralda inchasson posted this in another thread, and i think it should be brought to the forefront.
thank you, chasson for showing us all this link.. typical society response to tragedy.
so three people got out and got to brooklyn.
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jukief
thewiz, I believe you when you say you don't look forward to the death of mankind at god's hands. But can you deny that you pray for the new system to come? And that means that you're also praying for Armageddon to come, which means you're praying for the majority of mankind, including children and babies, to be slaughtered by your god and his angels. It's easy to forget about this part of it and focus on the "glorious new system," but you have to live with the reality that if your Armageddon comes as you hope and pray, you'll witness some of the most horrifying events imaginable. If you choose to believe in--and even reverently worship--a god who could do such a thing, be my guest. But that's why I refuse to believe in god, at least the god the JWs worship and especially the god of the old testament.
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jukief
Hi Norm. Good post.
I can only say that I wish my JW brother would stop hating me. He must not read the Awake.
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Planes just a diversion... Ambulances had bombs.
by biblexaminer ini feel pretty sure about this, that the planes were just a diversion set to allow emergency vehicles easy access to the basement parking lot.
eye witnesses placed a large explosion just before the south building came down.
one thing is sure, the buildings did not come down as a result of the planes hitting them or any explosions due to that.
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jukief
On a local Denver news broadcast last night, they interviewed a civil engineer from Denver who worked on the construction of the WTC for seven years. He said the reason the buildings collapsed was because the heat from all that burning jet fuel melted the steel structure. As another poster here commented, the engineer said that steel can't withstand those types of temperatures.
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Religious Fanatacism
by drahcir yarrum inif there was ever a blatant display of the dangers of religious fanatacism, this is it.
the hi-jackers of the airliners that crashed today no doubt thought they'd immediately be sitting next to allah this-afternoon.
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jukief
I view my brother as a radical, fundamentalist JW. His behavior is extreme, even my JW inlaws think he's out of line to be shunning my sister and me, who merely "fell away" and became inactive. But, at the same time, he's an elder. And he can find support, at least in his way of thinking, in the Bible and the WT publications. Nobody has rebuked him for his actions; on the contrary, he's being groomed for the circuit work. Now do most JWs act the way he does? No, I don't think so. But he is still a JW, isn't he?
And the fact is that fundamentalist, extremist, terrorist Muslims are still Muslims. Even though most mainstream Muslims probably don't agree with today's actions and find it abhorant, it is still a faction of their religion that perpetrates many such terrorist acts (although nobody can say that Muslims are responsbile for today's acts). And yes, I *do* know many Muslims personally. When I was at university, I had lots of Muslim acquaintances who were international students from the Middle East. Although I strongly disagree with how Muslims treat women (and I received many lectures from Muslim men about how disgusting it was that I had bare arms and what a whore I was because of it--all this in a lab in a US university), I know that many Muslims are nice, kind people. But I also think that the Muslims who have come to the US to live are far different in their views from many of the radical people who live in the Middle East, who are surrounded daily by hatred and violence. When my kids were growing up, because we lived very close to university housing, they had friends from all over the world, from all religous persuasions. One of my older son's friends was Israeli and he came over to visit many times. I was horrified when I heard him spouting his hateful retoric against Palestinians. I challenged him on it, and he said the Muslims hated him just as much as he hated them. He was ready, at 10 years old, to kill Muslims, and he assured me they were just as ready to kill him. Unfortunately, these feelings are taught from childhood. And the Israelis are no better than the Palestinians.
When one faction of a group does reprehensible things it reflects on the rest of the group. It's unfortunate, but true. It's the same way with American politics. I think countries in the Middle East and in the rest of the world have good reason to hate the United States. I disagree with our international policies, but I'm still an American and I'm going to regarded as an "ugly American" by many people as a result.
None of it is very pretty.