Posts by Julie

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Marry Christmas Jan-evolution goes down in flames

by clash_city_rockers in

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darwin on trial is the title of a book on evolution that has ruffled the feathers of the secular scientific community.

though a christian, author philip johnson critiques evolutionary theory from a secular standpoint as he examines the philosophical games many scientists play to protect their evolutionary ideology.

johnson, a law professor at the university of california at berkeley, attacks head-on the often-heard statement that evolution is both a fact and a theory, an evolutionary dogma that has been a major source of confusion for a long time.

Julie

The thing that gets me about this debate (even though one side is so incredibly weak I'll still grant it "debate" status) is that the creationists will pick at all these details on evolution. This or that tiny flaw makes it all wrong--in the view of the creationist. On the other hand, the problem with creation is, first and foremost, we have two versions. Yes, in Genesis we have one version right after the other, each with it's own distinct order of what was created when. The bible can't even get it straight. Ok, putting that aside (which is what creationists seem to do so effortlessly), we have all these other questions. God supposedly made man in his own image, right? Except he made us stupid. Yep, the only thing seperating us from God was knowledge. We were perfect while we were stupid, so the story goes.

The creationist would have us believe we were Perfect until that bitch Eve screwed up everything for all of mankind for all time. LOL What an assinine concept!!! Then we have the knotty issue of man's fall from grace (again, thanks to Woman). All-knowing, all-loving God, *knew* beforehand that we would screw up, right? What kind of sadistic ego-maniac would create us, knowing we would be so displeasing to him, subject "his people" (and countless others) to the horrors known as the old testament, and then, to rectify all these avoidable (at least by an omnipotenet being) miseries, send "his son" to be massacred? You are free to do so but I cannot bring myself to believe in much less worship such a lunatic.

I recount all of this nonsense that creationists swallow hook, line and sinker--as fantastic and unbelievable as it all is--to demonstrate how incredibly foolish they look squabbling over this or that minute detail that hasn't yet been figured out in the evolution field.

Just think, if it weren't for religion making sure mankind didn't progress for many centuries, not only would we likely have all details on evolution and much more science, there's no telling where in the universe we may have been to by now.

Oh, and by the way Simpleton Clash, it's "Merry Christmas". Merry is "happy", marry means to wed. Yeah, you're so ready for the big time, not!!

Go read some books will ya? And I don't mean the kind where a fundy talks like a zealot about what he/she believes, I mean something objective. Big word I know but you'll figure it out after you get over the whole merry-marry lesson.

Never ceasing to be amazed--
Julie

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Whitewater=Enron???

by Julie in

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since we have so many right-leaning politically speaking posters, i was wondering what comments they might be willing to offer up on this column i caught this morning.. http://www.observer.com/pages/conason.asp.

i am sure most of those who are quick to criticize anything that even remotely relates to clinton are all whitewater experts by now.

i would enjoy reading what thoughts you may have on the parallels and even how enron makes whitewater look like a trip to the penny candy store.. hoping some conservative can help me feel less screwed by my republican administration,.

Julie

Greetings to all,

Since we have so many right-leaning politically speaking posters, I was wondering what comments they might be willing to offer up on this column I caught this morning.

http://www.observer.com/pages/conason.asp

I am sure most of those who are quick to criticize anything that even remotely relates to Clinton are all Whitewater experts by now. I would enjoy reading what thoughts you may have on the parallels and even how Enron makes Whitewater look like a trip to the penny candy store.

Hoping some conservative can help me feel less screwed by my Republican administration,
Julie

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HOW DO YOU MEND A BROKEN CHILD'S HEART?

by termite 35 in

please, anyone broken their children's heart over the wtbts?

i've been away from meetings for quite a wwhile now and have finally had to face the fact that i am responsible for my childrens 'lost' looks lately.

i've tried to sow a few little gentle doubts to ease them into the thought that were not going to meetings as 'the org may have got some things muddled up'.but its so strange to find yourself in this position; the worst is seeing their little faces as you struggle to find the right words that won't upset them.

Julie

I have never been a JW but found myself in this situation regarding just plain ol' religion. As has been mentioned the age of your children will matter but I just flat out told mine that after really looking at the bible (you could of course just say WT teachings) you have found that they do not make sense. I explained there may or may not be a God out there but he definitely wouldn't have anything to do with that nightmare book (you could say organization). Explain you studied it long and hard and that it hurt you to come to these conclusions but that the truth is more important than to believe lies in order to feel good. Obviously you could tailor this explanation to about any age group.

Just my two cents, I wish you much success,
Julie

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Tooting the horn

by Norm in

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*** w94 9/1 19 beware of boasting ***.

*** w94 9/1 20 beware of boasting ***.

*w88 1/1 20 - of all those who claim to be christian, only jehovah's witnesses take the preaching of the good news seriously.

Julie

:As in any other place, including this board, the hard liners and boasters prevail. Decent people cant keep up with crap, they usually quit.

LOL As the original 1 would say, quoting his dad I believe, "If you can't keep up with the big dogs, better stay on the porch".

As to this board, if yo know what you are talking about, are honest and forthright in your words and are willing to stand corrected if proven wrong, you'll have no probelems. Even if you are the "decent" sort.

Great post Norm, as always.

Regards,
Julie

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Book: JW & Nazi-Regime

by Osarsif in

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book by detlef garbe, pellechia and 22 other persons (some of them jehovah's witnesses):.

more at: http://www.edition-temmen.com.

from the foreword (quoting others):"time and again, jehovah's witnesses were the most courageous.

Julie

Alliwannadoislive,

You misread Osarsif's point. See, he isn't trying in any way to discredit someone who died for their beliefs.

The point you are missing, and missing badly, is that these numbers don't quite go with what the Dubs-at-the-door would have us believe. No, I know first-hand quite the opposite. I studied with them and they'd have had me believe there were countless JWs who died for their faith in the Nazi camps.. Coupled with the fact (yes "fact") that the Dubs-at-the-door are likely claim that the WT stood up to the Nazi's (like they claim they do every government--though I guess sucking as much welfare from "Caeser" doesn't count). Yes indeedy, noboday as brave as those loyal JWs in Germany, right? LOL Unitl you go have a read at those cowards and their sniveling "oh please don't be mean to us, everything is the fault of those wretched Jews!" letter.

Anyone who died for their faith is brave. Misguided IMO but brave nonetheless. No one here has claimed otherwise. No trivializing death. Just a few lies/exaggerations being revealed/highlighted (again) here.

Perhaps you find throwing light on WT-lies/exaggerations upsetting?

Julie

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Do you get the urge?

by ashitaka in

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when you're in here, and someone is crying about message-board injustice, do you get the urge to say the most sarcastic, caustic thing that comes to mind?

do you have to stop yourself?

i do.. i don't know if it's the old jw 'laugh at the next guy who's not as good as you' syndrome, but i have the silly urges to body-slam people with my words.. before september 11th, i always used to say, "i hate people.

Julie

While I do believe in at least a little self control when it comes to addressing others, I am also not a big fan of ambiguity. When I have talked to you, you will, in no uncertain terms, know how I feel. As to all the claims I see about "if you were talking to this person in RL you'd use a different tone...". I doubt that would apply to me. I am plain-spoken and it is a rare occasion when I do not think that is the best policy. If I am kidding you know it *right then*, not after someone says "What a bitchy thing to say...". I don't make baseless assumptions and then run and hide behind the word Rhetorical and if I EVER make a criticism about myself, it WILL BE CLEAR that it is I who I am referring to. I won't have to assert (or lie about) it later, that I was stupid enough to omit terms like "me", "myself" or "I", which would clearly demonstrate just who was being referred to.

Julie, who will take honest, plain-spoken, forth-right talk over slippery repression/"diplomacy" any day

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Double-standards?

by Billygoat in

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how is it that a woman can look at another woman and say, "wow!

" and nobody thinks a thing about it.

but when a man looks at another man and says, "wow!

Julie

Andi,

Good questions.

Dazed,

IMO means "in my opinion". IMHO *usually* means "in my humble opinion" but when I use it means "in my haughty opinion". Just an FYI

Take care to all, and a happy winter solstice!!!

Julie

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the 80's

by peaceloveharmony in

hey all, i received this in email today at work.

i always find these remember things funny, 70's or 80's.... but as i was reading this list, it got me thinking about some of the things i don't truly remember (okay, i remember but they were no-no's) because of my jw enforced childhood.

so here's the list with some of my comments:.

Julie

From what little I can recall, the 80's were great fun! Too bad so much of it is a blur.

Julie

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Suspicious look...

by Naeblis in

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what's up with this guy??

he's hiding something i can feel it.. .

Julie

Poor Naebs, no sense of perception, eh? Silly boy, he looks like a Red Wings fan who seems to know, ahead of time, how that whole Stanley Cup thing is going to work out.

I can't believe you are *still* in denial.

Julie

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Are we equal...?

by DannyBear in

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when an employer resorts to comments like 'who sign's your check?

' or 'are you biting the hand that feed's you?

', it is normally due to some perceived or overt violation of loyalty, or simply to shut the employee up regarding the subject matter at hand.. i don't like the tactic, because it is rarely used in a one on one situaltion, but generally in the ear shot of other's, to squelch the matter.

Julie

Ah Sweet Simple Prisca,

Honey, I never said you claimed you "never called names" and I know you never made those claims yourself. I was merely pointing out to you that, if you ascribe a certain label to a certain kind of behavior, than participate in that behavior, why then the ascribed label is applicable. Kinda tricky I know, but I'm tryin' to type it nice and slow for you here....

As to Alan saying something about name-calling being "realistic" in such a place as this DB, think for a moment here dear. What is the discussion? Generally religious matters and occassionally politics, other various emotional matters. Sure plenty try to use facts to build arguments etc. but the basis of most disucssions here are HOT BUTTON TOPICS. I know in a perfect world everyone would discuss all topics without emotion, quite rationally etc. But when you get into topics that are so deep within someone, emotion is bound to slip in, hence emotional behavior.

(I disagree with the poster here claiming most here don't have debating skills, we all have the ability, it's whether we make the effort)

It's all so simple I am almost surprised you missed it Prisca. Almost.

Julie