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  Mad as hell...shivered and cried like baby

  by DannyBear in

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  yesterday, when farkel announced his departure and shunning of us all, i was incensed and outraged.

  in fact i had similar feeling's to those day's 20yrs ago, after being df'd, where former friends and relatives, just simply said 'your no good, your not worthy of my/our attention anymore' turned thier back's and walked away from me.

  then witnessed farkel ignore the sweet comments lilac's writes just for him....made we want to ring his neck.

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  Julie

  Wow Danny!!

  That is a mighty heartfelt post. Well done.

  Regards,
  Julie

  P.S. I think one or two of who you mention may be on vacation, crazy vikings, still can't take the cold of Norway. Lightweights.
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  Farewell to all

  by Amazing in

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  i already said farewell in my apology post to julie.

  but many of you may not have read it since it was specific to her.. i was planning a long farewell statement because i have a number of things i want to share, but decided i would do that in private if anyone wishes.

  you can reach me at [email protected].. i chose to leave for a number of reasons, and some stated on my last post.

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  Julie

  Hi Amnesian,

  You said:

  the Herculean level of restraint I have demonstrated over the past 10 days should confirm “whipping” is not my style.

  LOL I'll say! Commendations on the restraint (Herculean may be a bit of an understatement though).

  So whipping's not your style? How about blind militant attacks or making someone and elder to burn in effigy? No blind-siding? Me thinks we would have been much mistaken about your character had we been foolish enough to buy into certain inflammatory remarks. Thankfully most were able to recognize such for what they were and many merely considered the motives of the source.

  We look forward to your input on the discussion. The last one you kicked off proved most effective at spurring on an interesting, thought provoking exhange.

  Regards,
  Julie
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  Farewell to all

  by Amazing in

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  i already said farewell in my apology post to julie.

  but many of you may not have read it since it was specific to her.. i was planning a long farewell statement because i have a number of things i want to share, but decided i would do that in private if anyone wishes.

  you can reach me at [email protected].. i chose to leave for a number of reasons, and some stated on my last post.

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  Julie

  Hi Amazing,

  I saw that Apology post to me got 571 hits I am pretty sure a lot of people saw it.

  Good luck in your journey, where ever it takes you.

  Julie
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  And they talk about love?

  by Xena in

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  with the 4th anniversary of my parents death looming and the anniversary of their last wedding anniversary party where my family was together and happy for the last time just being past ....i was feeling kind of depressed and wanted to reach out to what family i have left.

  i sat there and debated in my mind if i should do it...should i try and reach out to my sister..see if i could reach her across the barrier of the jw religion.

  should i try to remind her that we are sisters...we were sisters before we became jws and we will always be sisters.

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  Julie

  Thank you for the very kind compliment Xena. You can always contact me if you need to, my mail is always open. I know of estrangements first hand so I can somewhat empathize with you.

  It is your sister I pity the most, what a loss she has incurred and doesn't even know it. Especially since she'll miss out on that adorable daughter of yours. I foresee her kicking herself someday.

  Regards,
  Julie
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  And they talk about love?

  by Xena in

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  with the 4th anniversary of my parents death looming and the anniversary of their last wedding anniversary party where my family was together and happy for the last time just being past ....i was feeling kind of depressed and wanted to reach out to what family i have left.

  i sat there and debated in my mind if i should do it...should i try and reach out to my sister..see if i could reach her across the barrier of the jw religion.

  should i try to remind her that we are sisters...we were sisters before we became jws and we will always be sisters.

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  HI Xena,

  Sorry to hear of your heartache. Be proud of yourself for not bowing to pressure to do what you know in your heart is wrong and not falling for emotional blackmail. Remember too where one door is closed another opens.

  Seems to me you have friends here who care about you as much as their own siblings. You may have lost a sister but it appears you have merely traded that family in for one huge clan. For all of our differences I think deep down we all have regard for each other and some here really love others here. I believe you to be much loved here and you'd never had discovered all these treasured relationships if you'd chosen a different path.

  I know this is all small consolation for the loss of your realtionship with your sister but I just wanted to point at your gains to help soothe your pain from your loss.

  Sympathy and hugs,
  Julie
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  Suicide and This and That .....

  by Celtic in

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  how many of you have really gone through suicidal feelings, when you felt that no-one at all was out there to try to assist you?

  did it help you to be told by so called friends, 'just pull your socks up!

  ' did you feel that such admonition was really daft and stupidly uncaring?

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  Julie

  Hi Celtic,

  You are right, those talking about suicide are more asking for help than death. There is a point of despair that is sometimes reached and can be viewed as permanent. Of course it isn't but that can be hard to see at the time.

  Personally suicide has never been an option I seriously considered. My dad, a very intelligent and sensible man, used to tell me that suicide was bad decision making, "a permanent solution to a temporary problem." I agree with this but understand how the desperate mindset can lose sight of the "temporary problem" part of it.

  As humans our biggest mistake can be to limit our hopes and dreams and to let our determination be discouraged.

  Just my two cents worth...
  Julie
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  my cousin's brother sends a card...grrrrr

  by Mulan in

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  my cousin, sharon, who died in september.......was disfellowshipped three years ago.

  her brother is still a witness, and wrote a thank you card to an elder in the congregation here.

  this elder and his wife came to visit sharon a few days before she died, and before she started to lose her ability to make sense when she talked.

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  Julie

  What's the word I am thinking of.....? Oh yes, "asshole".

  Hugs to you Marilyn--sorry to hear--send him a swift kick in the pants from me--or better yet, send him here.... ...serious lesson in manners needed. I can help.

  Julie
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  "A Day for a Year": I Need a Beer

  by Farkel in

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  everyone wants to find meaning and purpose in their life.

  people who have been taught to believe in the bible seek stuff in the bible to give them meaning in their life.

  some people make up stuff supposedly based on the bible to give them meaning in their life.. the watchtower society goes one step further: they make up stuff supposedly based on the bible to give their corporation meaning and importance in life.. far too many true believers have a difficult time accepting what should be obvious to any rational human: the bible meant exactly what it said.

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  Julie

  Ah my dear Farkel,

  No one can do a bible study quite like you. I have to wonder, when those who consider the bible to be inerrant and God's word, how can they read this stuff and believe it to be inspired? Even remotely close to enlightened?? Truly remarkable.

  I now realize I need to have another look at Ezekiel and I foresee the use of many post-its during that perusal.

  Thanks for the great post, nice job exposing the WT "evidence" for what it really is...nonsense.

  Warm regards,
  Julie
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  Jonestown and Watchtower Society--Similarities

  by GinnyTosken in

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  recently in another thread, dannybear mentioned jim jones and the mass suicides at jonestown.

  about two years ago when the issue of cults in france was a hot topic in ex-jw discussions, i became curious about jim jones and his followers.

  i had seen the news reports and horrific footage, but i wanted to understand how a man could convince 638 of his adult followers to kill themselves and 276 children.. for me, jim jones's story is also close to home.

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  Julie

  Wow Ginny,

  Thanks for posting all that. It is like a car wreck, so horrible but one cannot look away. The similarities are so blatant. Truly evil, these cults. The only thing worse than taking pleasure in the misery of others is manipulating them into misery under a guise of helping them.

  Warm regards,
  Julie
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  Fear and pain and death...

  by Cowboy in

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  do you fear death?if so,do you fear it because of the pain that is likely to go along with it?or because of what will become of your soul(your self)after death?.

  curiosly,i find that i no longer fear death.not that i want to die-i don't.but i wonder if this how i should feel.. i don't like pain,but i have a fairly high threshold of pain,i think.i'm sure there is much greater pain than what i have experienced,but though i avoid it when at all possible(including spankings...sorry chat babes),i'm not afraid that i can't deal with it if i have to.. likewise death,i just have no great fear of it anymore.i don't think that it's due to my beliefs about what will happen after i die...i don't have any.sure,i was raised a j.w.,instilled from birth with the idea that if i didn't survive armageddon,that i'd be resurrected thereafter.but i don't buy that anymore...neccesarily.nor do i believe in the heaven or hell concept...neccesarily.i do believe that if i'm the best kind of person i can be,then it will have to be good enough for whatever,if anything,lies beyond the life i'm living now.. in talking to others,though,i find very few(if any)people who don't have a pretty high degree of fear about death.it has me wondering,and i'd appreciate your comments.. cowboy.

  we ride and never worry about the fall.

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  Julie

  Greetings all,

  My only fear in relation to death is that I may die before my children are grown. If I can be here long enough to see them safely into adulthood the rest will be bonus. As to fearing death itself, I once nearly did die and have not feared it ever since. Don't necessarily *fear* pain, can tolerate it quietly for the most part, I find it extremely irritating. Especially if it is of the incapacitating nature.

  My worst fear would be for something terrible to happen to my children and there are a few adults who I dread losing but know I will eventually.

  Regards to all,
  Julie