looking for feedback.
to bring you all back up to speed, wife is ex-jw.
shunned by her brother and parts of her family at uncles jw funeral.
Hi mrhhome, What does your wife feel about your letter? Although you defended her to her brother, it is her side of the family and she may have a different plan.
BTW your letter was very well written and might have a positive affect on a non-JW. A JW's cult persona on the other hand would dismiss your letter, because they feel they are superior to non-JWs.
Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,
Robert
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i know....i'm new to this set up.
apologies for being a dumbo.
Hi quellycatface, Dangerous cults want to keep their members, so leaders of dangerous cults instruct their members to avoid bad associations with non-members and ex-members. You don't have to follow what the GB teaches JWs to do, but if you don't be prepared to be marked/shunned yourself.
Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,
Robert
has anyone seen this post on facebook?
the comments below it are staggering!
so many suffering from depression... along with the few judgementalists.
I wonder how many JWs (and other dangerous cults) had/have a psychosomatic disorder and/or take depression medication compared to non-members? I know a JW who after receiving treatment commented how funny (in a weird way) it was that her mind could cause her physical pain. I asked her what she felt was causing her mind to cause her physical disorder. She didn't want to tell me.
Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,
Robert
first i made love to my wife, maybe i'm better in bed then i thought, because about an hour after that my wife comes back in and i'm sitting at my desk and i asked her, "when the elders df me are you going to leave me, spiritual endangerment and all" she said, no, i don't feel endangered and we talked awhile and i talked about da ing and not sure what to do, then i shared with her a toned down version of the da letter that i posted and that led to her asking about my beliefs and understandings of who the great crowd and 144k, heaven and earthly hopes.
i was even able to tell her how they changed or distorted the meaning of the word naos to show the great crowd not in heaven.
i was able to show her some of the scriptures from the da letter, able to tell her a little about 1914 and how jesus did'nt invisably come in a presence, showing her scriptures on that and some more ttatt.
Hi Crazyguy, I'm glad that you were able to discover one way to release your wife's authentic persona. DITTO what Black Sheep wrote about helping your wife to critically think for herself and not thinking for her.
Have you thought about revising your DA'ing letter to include a paragraph about warning the elders not to contact your wife without you being present? Maybe playing the headship, slander, warning them you will be recording all conversations with elders, and litigation cards may help you.
Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,
Robert
i've been lurking for a while,but figured i'd introduce myself.
i was born in, and i'm 30 years old.
it's hard to just read as a guest, and not share with anyone eventually.
Welcome offgrid5150, Thirty is pretty young. What are your plans now? Are you going to attend a university? Do you have/want kids?
I hope that you post on JWN frequently so that you can vent your emotions as well as ask advice to help your wife to critically think for herself. At least you have heard of Steve Hassan, so I hope that you have read his books or watched his videos to help you.
Best of wishes helping your JW family and friends to critically think for themselves.
Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,
Robert
so the impending doom of the end is coming and i will not be df'd so they can tell others i sinned or something else.
i will da, but not sure what to expect next and what they will say to my family and children.
i have 5 kids one baptised and ofcourse a wife, so what should i prepare for??
Hi Crazyguy, It sounds like you should avoid the elders at all cost. How about a family vacation to someplace nice? The tropics are expensive and beautiful this time of year, so you may be able to romance your wife to love you more than the WTBTS.
Have you started a bible study night with your family? You can use the bible study as a way of helping your wife and children to critically think for themselves. If you haven't read Steve Hassan's books yet, I would order "Freedom of Mind: Helping Loved Ones Leave Controlling People, Cults and Beliefs" in an e-book format ASAP. You might also be able to save your marriage by calling Steve Hassan and talking to him or one of his coaches about what you should do ASAP. You can find Steve Hassan's phone number on his website www.freedomofmind.com.
Best of wishes fading from the WTBTS with your family,
Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,
Robert
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had this conversion with my dad earlier today, hes an elder...both my parents were laid off during the recession, however, they saved and lived a decent life.
You are blessed Kool Jo. Your Dad sounds like an ideal non-JW Dad.
Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,
Robert
why can't i say something without someone immature trying to be a smart ass or trying to fight everything i say and use it against me?
comments welcome.
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Hi Brother Mike, JWN is not a KH. JWN members do have opinions, they will write them to you, and it is very difficult to gossip behind your back on JWN. After a few heated threads, you will learn how to avoid conflicts or to at least filter out comments that you do not like. Everyone on JWN is at a different phase of healing from the WTBTS's BITE control.
Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,
Robert
i would like to thank everyone for the discussions that we've all had.
after all of them i have realized, all of you have made me realized that after all of the stuff i have been through, i just need a good friend.
and regardless of how hostile our discussion could get i have felt that you have all shared something with me that have helped me.
Brother Mike - I just need a good friend. And regardless of how hostile our discussion could get I have felt that you have all shared something with me that have helped me.
Good-bye Brother Mike, If you need a good friend, why are you returning to the WTBTS's conditional love? A mind is a terrible thing to waste. Return as often as you like a stimulating discussion.
Best of wishes finding an unconditional JW friend.
Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,
Robert
i have recently become friends with some women who belong to a church in my area.
they are fun, great women.
one of them used to be a witness actually but it has been many years.
Hi joyfulfader, What church were you planning to attend? Does the church you were thinking of attending promote shunning of members? Does the church promote giving money for charitable activities like helping to feed or shelter non-members? Are you afraid of being trapped in another dangerous cult like the WTBTS? Establish what your objectives are and independently research any organization that you are thinking of joining to help you overcome your phobias from being a JW.
Instead of going to the church to serve God, how about going to be with friends who you enjoy being with and who do not judge you for your beliefs? How about going to help other people?
If you enjoy helping other people, how about joining a secular non-profit that actually helps feed, clothe, provide shelter for, and/or help educate non-members?
Best of wishes critically thinking for yourself and overcome your WTBTS induced phobias.
Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,
Robert
