Posts by ABibleStudent

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How do you reconnect if you've been DF'd?

by ILoveTTATT in

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i am helping out a support group in spanish for ex-jw's and i need help on something:.

if one is df'd, how would one ever help your relatives?

how to get to talk to them and try and help them to come out of the cult?

ABibleStudent

ILoveTTATT - But I guess options are limited huh?

Hi ILoveTTATT, You are only limited by your own fears and how the WTBTS indoctrinates JWs.

If a person's JW family uses FB, create a FB page showing what one is doing and how much fun they are having. If a person knows a JW's smartphone number, send them a picture of what made one think of them and text them "This made me think of you. Unconditional Love". If a person knows a JW's email, send them emails with lots of pictures and letting them know about how you are doing.

Think of what made you happy as a JW that you did with other JWs that was not an approved WTBTS activity. Chances are that those JWs were happy then also, so remind them of what made them happy with a short note like "Do you remember how happy you were when . . . ?"

My point is that the WTBTS will only become more restrictive in the future to JWs and that will be what helps JWs to awaken. So keep on sharing and brainstorming about ideas to reconnect with JWs.

I'm even thinking about starting an ex-dangerous cult (i.e., exJWs, exScientologists, exMoonies, exMormon, etc.) meetup group where I live, but I have not thought of how to make it a positive experience besides only venting about how bad a dangerous cult is.

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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More indoctrination of young people.

by quellycatface in

just come back from having coffee at a local cafe.

saw one of the sisters in my ex-kh having a study with a young girl (say 17 or so).

i think they were looking at the "draw close to weasel head book.

ABibleStudent

Hi quellycatface, Can you give one of the waitresses/waiters a note for the girl and a tip? The note could be as simple as, "I learned about TTATT by visiting www.jwfacts.com. It can help you too. Regards, Someone who cares about your future"

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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New development in my life

by EdenOne in

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friends

no longer a ms ........................... can't give details atm, for it might be a dead-giveaway and it ain't quite over yet.

but, it really taught me one thing: if you're trying to fade or stay in, trust no one.

and i mean no one.. eden.

ABibleStudent

Hi EdenOne, It is better to listen to JWs rather than open your mouth and make them suspicious.

By the way what was the secret to your success to no longer being an MS. Planned incompetency, depression, finanical hardship, to little time to spend with family, etc?

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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Epic FAIL! :( My sister is gone from me.

by Faithful Witness in

got this email from my sister today.

there is a lot of back story, and this isn't a surprise.

it will be interesting to see how it affects the rest of the family, if they hear about it or not.

ABibleStudent

Hi Faithful Witness, You wrote many good points. I would move the paragraphs asking your sister to put herself in your shoes and then that you were never a witness so please explain why she is stopping communicating with you, and avoid writing anything that she can interpret as condemning the WTBTS. If you cannot reach her authentic persona in the first sentence it is unlikely that she will read the rest of your email.

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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How do you reconnect if you've been DF'd?

by ILoveTTATT in

jw
friends

i am helping out a support group in spanish for ex-jw's and i need help on something:.

if one is df'd, how would one ever help your relatives?

how to get to talk to them and try and help them to come out of the cult?

ABibleStudent

Hi ILoveTTATT, I feel that there is a lot that can be done with a little creativity and overcoming phobias of the WTBTS.

With the proper training and a lot of self-control, a third party doing a bible study with a JW might work. From my experience I feel that a person must start by building a relationship with a JW and then ask simple questions that cause the JW to do more research instead of providing the evidence to the JW. I tried having a bible study with a JW once and it did not work well. I did not spend sufficient time building the relationship with the JW to learn more how he felt and I was not prepared for JWs jumping from topic to topic to justify the WTBTS's doctrines. Since the brother switched topics from blood to God needs an organization on earth, I believe that he had doubts about the WTBTS's blood doctrine. Unfortunately, it was also the last time that I studied with the brother.

Last Thanksgiving I did ask JWs who knocked on my brother's door if I could give them something in return for accepting their propaganda. They finally agreed after I told them that it was nothing religious. I wrote www.freedomofmind.com on the propaganda and handed it back to them. They acted slightly nerves and laughed when I wrote on the propaganda. I may have planted a seed of doubt in their minds, but at least they will never place that phamplet with anyone.

In the last 5 months I started experimenting with sending 4 postcards of places that I visited to my former friend, who is a "Spiritually Strong" JW. I figure as long as I am sending postcards to my friends and family why not send one more to my former friend. I only write about what I see and I how I feel about the place that I'm visiting. Sometimes I wonder if I should be sending her postcards. But, then I remind myself that if my friend were to have doubts, she may stop conducting studies with non-JWs, so I may be helping another person from being victimized by the WTBTS.

Lastly, I do feel that it is important to educate non-JWs about the WTBTS and other dangerous cults. Most people are unaware of dangerous cults using BITE control techniques to victimize members, so at appropriate times I talk to people how everyone can be susceptible to BITE control. Also, occassionally I write to politicians asking for them to revise IRS tax codes to add requirements for organizations to qualify as a non-profit.

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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marriage without affection/sex/touching

by zeb in

yes thats my situation.

some where along the path of life the wt guilt trip was dumped on our marriage and we havent had sex for years.. anyone else?

the hearts and flowers and gifts and doing the cleaning, the house work and paying the daily accounts never being drunk on drugs playing the horses or screwing others yep its all there but nothing coming back due to the wt guilt trip.. they made so much of 'oral sex' and 'pornea' incorrectly quoted at that and ventured thereby into areas they were patently very ill equipped to comment on.

ABibleStudent

Hi Imminent1975, Have you asked your wife about going to a marriage counselor or sex theripist? She could be just disinterested in sex, she could be going through menopause, she may want more romance than sex, and she could have residual WTBTS phobias about sex. Seek professional help before making your decision about seeking intimacy outside of your marriage.

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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My little sister

by Nika Bee in

my little sister is 14 years younger than me.

she was always special to me, i took care of her, when my mother was working, i carried her around, i comforted her.

we are very similar in our interests for music and literature.. she is in secondary school, an unbaptised publisher.. since i study in the us, we only see each other about once a year.

ABibleStudent

Hi Nika Bee, Write your response and then sleep on it.

BTW have you read Steve Hassan's books (i.e., "Combatting Cult Mind Control", "Releasing the Bonds: Empowering People to Think for Themselves", and (his latest book) "Freedom of Mind: Helping Loved Ones Leave Controlling People, Cults and Beliefs"), visited his website www.freedomofmind.com, or watched his FREE videos on his website? Following Steve Hassan's methods may help improve your relationships with your JW family.

Your best response would be to ask simple questions, like why the sudden change of heart and that you love her unconditionally like how Jesus Christ taught Christians to love. If you still have the letter that your sister wrote to you, can you copy it and send it to her. You could even ask her where in the Bible did Jesus Chirst shun or not associate with non-jews.

Best of wishes helping your sister think critically for herself.

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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Leaving a legacy for future exJW generations

by ILoveTTATT in

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friends

i just thought of something: considering that from 2013 onwards, it seems, there won't be a watchtower library cd, and everything will be online, and therefore every trace of "old light" can be deleted with the push of a button.... .

is there a way to download a copy of the entire jw.org webstite, and keep a "certified copy" somewhere, like archive.org?.

perhaps this can be done monthly or every quarter or something.... .

ABibleStudent

ILoveTTATT - But the copyrights would expire in 70 years!! =S

Hi ILoveTTATT, How would that be a problem? You could refer to the old WTBTS propaganda on jw.org and verify that it hadn't changed by doing the comparison through the repository. The only tactics that the WTBTS could counter with would be to delete its propaganda periodically on jw.org (which is essentially what they do now with "New Light"), DF or DA JWs who visit the repository, or some other lame action.

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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Epic FAIL! :( My sister is gone from me.

by Faithful Witness in

got this email from my sister today.

there is a lot of back story, and this isn't a surprise.

it will be interesting to see how it affects the rest of the family, if they hear about it or not.

ABibleStudent

Hi Faithful Witness, Why not write back, "I was never a JW, so why don't you want to communicate with me? You and family are more important to me than an Org."

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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Leaving a legacy for future exJW generations

by ILoveTTATT in

jw
friends

i just thought of something: considering that from 2013 onwards, it seems, there won't be a watchtower library cd, and everything will be online, and therefore every trace of "old light" can be deleted with the push of a button.... .

is there a way to download a copy of the entire jw.org webstite, and keep a "certified copy" somewhere, like archive.org?.

perhaps this can be done monthly or every quarter or something.... .

ABibleStudent

I think I know of a way to get around copyright infringement litigation and prevent the WTBTS from re-writing their propaganda. A reputable and popular website like JWfacts, would need to act as a repository of information where people would upload .pdf files and ask for a comparison with a file(s) in the repository. If there were any differences between the files, the page(s) with the differences would be displayed and the different text from the repository file would be highlighted.

The technology to search for differences in Word documents already exists with Word, so it should be relatively easy to write a program to compare .pdf files for differences.

After copy-rights expired, the repository would allow downloading of available files.

What's your opinion of this idea?

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert