Posts by ABibleStudent

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If your mate remains in the org...

by Silent_Scream in

some here have had the bonus of their mate leaving with them.

unfortunately, my wife is die-hard.

everything in the org makes sense and if it don't, thats fine too.

ABibleStudent

Hi Silent_Scream and I am sorry for your predicament. It is much better not to talk with your wife about the WTBTS, tell her how much you love her, and plan fun activities that you and she can do and will allow your wife to interact with "Worldly" people, especially if those activities will prevent you from going to meetings. I also recommend that you read Steve Hassan's books (i.e., Combatting Cult Mind Control and Releasing the Bonds: Empowering People to Think for Themselves) and visiting Steve Hassan's website www.freedomofmind.com.

If your wife continues to talk about going to Bethel, just tell her how much you love her and that you do not want to cause her and other Bethelites cognitive dissonance. If she persists after saying how much you love her, you can always ask her, "Who does she follow spiritually and who is her mediator with Our Father?" If she says Jesus Christ, than ask her if she is sure about that and show her Watchtower and Awake! articles that say she must follow the GB. Do not say anything negative about the GB or how you feel, let her discover the truth her self. Good-luck!!!

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

ABibleStudent

P.S. - If you don't like your work now, you should also consider getting a better education in a career field that you love and become more financial secure. If your wife does decide to divorce you, you will be doing something that you love and you will be able to endure the financial hardships of divorce. If you wife asks why you are getting more education, you can tell her that ,as head of the house with the "New Light" changes about the generations, you decided that you must provide for your family encase the the end of time is not for another century.

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Victoria, Australia: October 11th hearing. All five cases made it through the court...just!

by AndersonsInfo in

this is a preliminary summary only.

i hope to obtain more details later.. .

all five cases are still within the criminal justice system.

ABibleStudent

I checked out the information on http://www.jwnews.net/. I thought that it was interesting that the lawyer for the WTBTS said that the Faithful and Discreet Slave did not exist. I thought that the title FDS was applied to the GB. I know that the lawyer was just keeping the GB out of trouble be saying that the FDS does not exist, but how would the R&F view the lawyer's statement. If the WTBTS' lawyers really want to prevent warrents from being issued for GB members, I guess the GB, or its legal representatives, will be at the 11/08/11 hearing according to the information on jwnews.net for Case Number B12083527.

Case Number: B12083367
Acting Prosecutor: Mr Steven Unthank
Accused: FAITHFUL AND DISCREET SLAVE
Legal argument for the accused was presented by lawyers representing the Watchtower Society, including that the accused did not exist.
An application was made by the Crown (the Director of Public Prosecutions) for an adjournment for four weeks so that Victoria Police could complete an investigation and so that the Crown can prepare to take over the case.
Results: The Magistrate conferred with Mr Unthank who approved the request made by the Crown. The case was adjourned for four weeks.
Next Court hearing date: 08 November 2011
Hearing Type: Mention

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

ABibleStudent

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Now what do I do?

by outsmartthesystem in

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for those of you that know my plight....i need to know your opinion.

summary - i developed a piss poor, combative, rebellious attitude toward the society many years ago.

my wife saw it and hated it.

ABibleStudent

Hi outsmartthesystem, I agree with sinis. It is much better not to talk with your wife about the WTBTS, tell her how much you love her and your children, and plan fun activities that you and your family can do and will allow them to interact with "Worldly" people, especially if those activities will prevent them from going to meetings. If you are unhappy with your current career, it would also be a good idea to get more education to qualify for a better career - could be a good excuse for your wife about why you were unhappy.

If your wife continues to ask you about meeting with the elders, just tell her you love her so much that you would rather not cause her cognitive dissonance or get DF'ed by the elders. If she persists after saying how much you love her, you can always ask her, "Who does she follow spiritually and who is her mediator with Our Father?" If she says Jesus Christ, than ask her if she is sure about that and show her Watchtower and Awake! articles that say she must follow the GB. Do not say anything negative about the GB or how you feel, let her discover the truth her self. Good-luck!!!

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

ABibleStudent

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Spent the evening with an old bible study

by irondork in

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an old bible student got in touch with me a couple days ago.

like me, he has a history with addiction and apparently relapsed for a month.

he has since reclaimed a month of sobriety but in the process of the whole mess he lost his job, his car and will be evicted from his apartment monday.

ABibleStudent

Hi irondork, Thanks for sharing your experience. It is good to hear about people helping each other without having a hidden agenda. I am sure that your old Bible study appreciated the love that you showed him.

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

ABibleStudent

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Got my reply from the UK charities commission...

by oldlightnewshite in

got my reply from the uk charities commission.

i'm not a happy bunny.

basically, they're saying that any crackpot organization can get charitable status as long as they're a religion.

ABibleStudent

Has an Brits, Welchmen, or Scots thought about contacting their political representatives about changing the charity and tax laws to prevent cults like the WTBTS from saying that they are bonified religions instead of cults? I am writing my representatives in the USA to do exactly that. ExJWs' time would be better spent writing and lobbying their representatives to make common sense changes to laws instead of complaining that existing laws do not work. ExJWs have a lot more political cloat than JWs, because JWs do not vote and how would JWs feel about the WTBTS making campaigne donations to lawmakers.

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

ABibleStudent

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new to JWN

by Brad Wilson in

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have been a member of jwr since 2008 and have not been to hall since june 2009, have celebrated 2 yrs without memorial - woohoo - that being said i have stopped by here frequently and decided yesterday to join your group.. it has been very enjoyable to read your stories as well as the other group i have been with, and so it just seemed reasonable to belong to both.. my story is no differant than all the others, the only thing is i was not born in.

that being said i also have no real issues with being an apostate (although i do believe it is used in the perjorative sense by the wt).. peace - brad.

ABibleStudent

Welcome Brad Wilson to JWN and I am sorry that your ex-wife didn't love you more than the WTBTS. You sound like you have adjusted fairly well to being an ex-JW.

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

ABibleStudent

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My teen daughter is being pressured to get baptized :(

by lola-rabbit in

my oldest teenage daughter (15) is a publisher and goes to all meetings with her father (we divorced, he picks her up).

i try to get her more involved in school and to spend more time with friends outside the congregation.

i'm to the point where i'm going to simply forbid it and send her off to collage early!

ABibleStudent

lola-rabbit - My oldest teenage daughter (15) is a publisher and goes to all meetings with her father (we divorced, he picks her up). I try to get her more involved in school and to spend more time with friends outside the congregation. I'm to the point where I'm going to simply forbid it and send her off to collage early!

Welcome ((((((((((((lola-rabbit))))))))))) to the forum. By the way, "(())" means hugs. Your greatest assets are teenage physical/emotional development, teenagers seeking approval from their peers, and boyfriends. Why doesn't your daughter want to get more involved with school activities? Instead of forbidding your daughter to become more involved with JWs, take your daughter and family out doing fun things (i.e., shopping at malls, visiting local universities and colleges, doing non-JW things that your daughter has shown an interest in, etc.). I am sorry that you must go this.

Too bad that you are on the wall trying to please your JW parents, otherwise I would suggest celebrating birthdays and Christmas with you family. Can you send anonymous emails to your JW parents/friends like I wrote about in the thread http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/211893/1/Youe28099ve-Got-Mail-TM, so that may be you will not have to remain on the wall for the rest of your life.

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

BibleStudent

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Why can't I just have one day with out seeing a JW ......seriously

by troubled mind in

today i went early to my dad's house to help my disabled sister with medical paperwork .

at 10am the cleaning lady shows up .

she was a jw recruit of my mom's yrs ago, and use to be like a sister to us a really long time ago .

ABibleStudent

Hi ((((((((((((troubled mind)))))))))). It sucks that JWs can be so deluded by a publishing and distribution corporation that uses thought reform. You did great confronting the cleaning lady. If you would like to have some fun with her, I would leave a copy of "Crisis of Conscience" laying on a table at your father's house.

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

ABibleStudent

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I've lurked a long time: JW's produce some of the most paranoid humans

by Unlearn in

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i'll keep this brief for now.. long time lurker (4 years or so).. born-in, elder, used on district level (last talk i gave before i left was the baptisimal talk), and lots of hard time put in...before i finally made the move to split.

it's a long stoy, much like many of yours...but with it's own little interesting twists.

more details in the future, perhaps.. as i said, ive lurked here for a while.. its funny: for a long time i'd only come on late at night.

ABibleStudent

Welcome (((((((Unlearn)))))) and great first post. You said that you got your wife out too that is great! Will you be sharing how you did it without too many details? Do you have children and did you get them out also?

Life is a lot sweeter without the fear, envy, paranoia, worthlessness, and servitude to a printing and distribution corporation that uses thought reform to enslave JWs!!

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

ABibleStudent

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No longer feel nervous or guilty when I see a JW out in public...

by QuestioningEverything in

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i used to feel nervous when i was out and would encounter a jw.

instantly, i would feel guilty that i wasn't doing more spiritually.

seems like the conversation would always go the the kh and jw's topic and the usual "we miss you, blah, blah, blah..." i am happy to say--- that is not the case anymore!

ABibleStudent

Hi QuestioningEverything, I'm glad that things are going well for your family. If you wish to have some fun with the JWs, you should say "You look a little tired. How are you feeling? . . . Why are you still a JW?".

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

ABibleStudent