i just thought of something: considering that from 2013 onwards, it seems, there won't be a watchtower library cd, and everything will be online, and therefore every trace of "old light" can be deleted with the push of a button.... .
is there a way to download a copy of the entire jw.org webstite, and keep a "certified copy" somewhere, like archive.org?.
perhaps this can be done monthly or every quarter or something.... .
I wonder if the Russian or Chinese governments would force a website in their country to bend to the WTBTS's legal department? Who knows maybe the Russian Orthodox Church would like to host a website in Russia that would contain up-to-date WTBTS propaganda.
Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,
Robert
last night i had a few drinks and messaged one of my old friends.
i havent seen or spoken to him in a few years because when i became a witness i could not condone or be a part of his worldly behavior...so last night i came clean and i told him why ive basically shunned him the last few years and he said it made sense (he used to be a witness a long time ago).
he said he was pissed for a while but he got over it and all that....i apologised and expressed my own doubts and my situation and he said he understood.
Hi DS211, It sounds like you have a few WTBTS induced phobias in your mind. You have done nothing wrong. It is normal to question leaders. I even feel it is healthy, otherwise leaders may lead followers over cliffs like lemmings.
Why do you have to tell your wife that you expressed doubts to your friend? If she asks, just tell her you had a nice conversation with him about non-religious matters. Since I consider the WTBTS leaders like con-men and the WTBTS as a dangerous cult, I do not consider talking about the WTBTS as being religious.
Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,
Robert
i just thought of something: considering that from 2013 onwards, it seems, there won't be a watchtower library cd, and everything will be online, and therefore every trace of "old light" can be deleted with the push of a button.... .
is there a way to download a copy of the entire jw.org webstite, and keep a "certified copy" somewhere, like archive.org?.
perhaps this can be done monthly or every quarter or something.... .
I like the idea, but the owner of the website would need deeper pockets than most people have to fight legal challanges by the WTBTS of copyright infringement. Besides most "Spiritually Strong" (non-thinking) JWs wouldn't believe that any person or organization is as justworthy as the WTBTS, so whatever is on jw.org must be the "Truth".
Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,
Robert
my wife is preparing to spend hundreds on a lap top to take into the field service.
i carefully mentioned that the wts has gone from condemning the web to now using it.. her reply" no they never condemned it just said to people to be careful in using it".
my memories of convention speakers must be different and" this is the way things are now; its all downloaded from the web".. with that as a given then why isnt the wts issuing computers to any one who wants one?
If the WTBTS wants to reduce printing costs and for JWs to use tablets/computers during FS, how will the WTBTS keep track of propaganda placements? I wonder if Bethel did a 360-deg assessment of risk mitigation about JWs using tablets/computers to access the internet more? Did they anticipate that some "Spiritually Weak" (still thinking) JWs will leave or that more teenage JWs will leave? Or, was it just a cost vs benefit analysis of less paper and ink to purchase?
I sometimes fantasize that the WTBTS secretly wants JWs to awaken so that the WTBTS can unload more real estate.
Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,
Robert
for those of you who have a minute to read this, here is a report from my family trip.. i was in florida for the holidays visiting my older sister and family, along with my parents which were also visiting.. although i've had conversations with my mother about the organization, my sister and her family had no idea of my position in regards to the (un)truth - perhaps because we live far away from each other.
i knew the day was coming.... on my second day there, the whole family was sitting around bs-ing about different stuff, and as usual my mother starts with the "world is getting worse by the day" conversation, followed by approving nods and smart remarks from the rest of the family.
i then politely told them that this was not true, that in fact the world has never been better.
Congradulations redvip2000 on sticking with your decision not to discuss beliefs with your JW family after your intial comments. That must have been very tough for you. Is there anything that you can give to your nephew to help him to stay unbaptized without causing you any adverse reprecussions? Send him an anonymous email like, "If you want to talk about your feelings without being judged, visit www.jehovahs-witness.net like I did."
Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,
Robert
for those of you who have a minute to read this, here is a report from my family trip.. i was in florida for the holidays visiting my older sister and family, along with my parents which were also visiting.. although i've had conversations with my mother about the organization, my sister and her family had no idea of my position in regards to the (un)truth - perhaps because we live far away from each other.
i knew the day was coming.... on my second day there, the whole family was sitting around bs-ing about different stuff, and as usual my mother starts with the "world is getting worse by the day" conversation, followed by approving nods and smart remarks from the rest of the family.
i then politely told them that this was not true, that in fact the world has never been better.
Hi redvip2000, I'm glad that your family decided not to shun you for now.
You might have planted more seeds with them if you asked them more questions like: "Did you ask the elders whether the organization is inspired? or What did you learn from your research about ______ and did you just use WTBTS resources like Cubans only use their approved resources?"
Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,
Robert
i havent been to a meeting in four years.
during that time i completed a successful fade from the organization after almost 40 years being baptized.
it seems nothing anymore will surprise or shock me with these latest bunch of brooklyn leaders.
IMHO the WTBTS promoting the internet is like a double-edge sword, unless all free Wifi services/WTBTS software come with monitoring of where JWs visit on the internet. Without some type of monitoring, the WTBTS benefits from lower printing costs and the ability to quickly change its propaganda. With some type of monitoring, add that the WTBTS will be able to submit in a JC that a JW visited a forbidden website. I wonder if the WTBTS will name forbidden websites for JWs to avoid or just state that all websites are forbidden except for jw.org.
Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,
Robert
ok suppose a man met an inactive jw woman.
started dating, had a child.
and throughout his and her relationship there were many ups and downs, drug issues on the womans part , too much drinking on his, she cheats then they find out they are pregnant and move intogether.
Hi DS211, Find a good marriage/cult-exit couselor or a good lawyer. Until someone's emotional baggage is resolved, a person will not change. Marriage/cult-exit counseling will either help the wife resolve her personal baggage or help the husband to realize that he is better off without his wife and should seek to exit the marriage as quickly and painlessly as possible.
Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,
Robert
need to put it in writing.
i think of it every day.
i know so many of us have gone through this, but it sure hurts.
Hi mzmmom, You are alive. Your parents may be in a coma or dead. Happy New Year!! Yeah I know that it sucks that your parents are controlled by a dangerous cult, but why waste your life trying to please them.
Are you planning to write to your parents about your feelings? If you are, keep it simple. You love them unconditionally, (worded incase you are not a Christian) there is no sense in continuing to disipline you by shunning you because you would rather believe that Jesus Christ is your mediator with God and not the WTBTS, and life is too short to talk about the WTBTS.
Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,
Robert
so while i'm symbolicly burning at the stake for hericy, my wife is getting consoled by the very priests that lit the match.
doesn't get much more ironic then that does it?
i don't know how much longer i can take this.
Hi Crazyguy, I'm sorry that you are going through so much frustration communicating with your wife right now. Could it be that she is afraid that you are too good contradicting the WTBTS's doctrines and therefore causing her cult persona too much cognitive dissonance?
If you still love your wife, what would you do to prove that you love her? How would your wife respond to you texting her, "I love you and want to go on a date with you to have fun together without talking about the WTBTS. I will not put down the WTBTS if you do not talk to me about WTBTS teachings. Life is too short to waste it not talking and sharing our lives together."
Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,
Robert
