so some jw who apparently only speaks spanish decides to share this article, which turns out to be a satire, to a spanish jw group.. .
http://diversitychronicle.wordpress.com/2013/12/05/pope-francis-condemns-racism-and-declares-that-all-religions-are-true-at-historic-third-vatican-council/.
(it would be so awesome if the article wasn't satire and was true... this would be so far out though... so crazy!!
Leaders have used hubris throughout history to convince people to follow leaders to do atrocities, such as Hitler and the Third Reich. The WTBTS is no different. It makes ordinary people feel special and unique so that they will blindly follow the WTBTS doctrines, therefore the Catholic Church must be wrong for the WTBTS to be right.
Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,
Robert
surviving and moving on after a high-demand group experience: a workshop for second-generation former members.
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Thanks for sharing Barbara. What is the name of the sponsoring organization and do you have more information about them?
Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,
Robert
my kids are so excited to see grandma again, after just a month.
she canceled her visit scheduled for 2 weeks ago, when she realized it was the weekend of the circuit assembly.
(they drive 75 miles, to go to the assembly hall, which is 3 miles from my house... we still wonder if they take the long way, or just hold their breath as they go driving by our property unnoticed).
Hi Faithful Witness, I'm glad that your Mom and you had a good time together. It seems like you are getting better at asking questions to plant seeds of doubt in your mother.
At the end of her visit did you ask her did she have fun and when she would visit again, because you had a great time with her? Helping her to remember how much fun she had is a great way to plant a seed of doubt that non-JWs are more fun to be with than JWs.
Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,
Robert
and probably why a lot of us do what we do.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuvgh_n3i_m.
Funny video and too true about how effective group pressure is.
Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,
Robert
i'm writing my first post here :) long story short, i feel like i'm making a somehow huge effort to be a jw so i started to wish to take a break from the usual jw activities.
here i am making one step further, i guess .. so, what could be , let's say, the strongest reason for you not to date a girl that isn't a jw?
aand eventually going to the next base.
Welcome gab_gab, Depending on a JW's personal circumstances dating a non-JW could cause JW relatives and friends to mark a JW and consider that a JW is a poor association and possibly to withdrawal financial support. I also would not recommend that a JW date a non-JW if they plan on remaining a JW. IMHO non-JWs are not aware of the severe social consequences of dating a JW and most JWs are incapable of being honest with themselves much less to non-JWs about the WTBTS - the WTBTS is a dangerous cult.
I can think of a very major reason not to date JW women versus non-JW women. JW women are more likely to have more emotional issues that can put a strain on a social relationship. To be a JW, a JW must have unswerving loyality to the WTBTS and conditional love for family and friends as long as one believes that the WTBTS has the "Truth".
How can a relationship be formed with an authentic persona when the cult persona is making a mess of things? Dating a JW is the ultimate ménage à trois nightmare for two lovers.
Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,
Robert
i'm still in the matrix(the truth), but 'morpheus' and his team are valiantly working on a way to get me out.
in the meantime, everyday i am discovering so much about being a jw i never knew, like don't buy girl scout cookies, that i keep asking myself "what have i got myself into".. maat.
really lame for a first post, but i figure i should start some where.
Maat13 - I have looked at a few sites very briefly, however I've spent most of my time reading posts here trying to figure out a proper exit plan.
Hi Maat13, Have you thought about starting another thread asking for advice about how to successfully fade from the WTBTS with your family?
IMHO a successful plan will have goals to independently research the WTBTS to confirm your suspicions and to help your wife and children to critically think for themselves. It will also have the following elements:
The hardest part of leaving the WTBTS is overcoming your fears that the WTBTS has indoctrinated you with. The second hardest part is helping your JW family to critically think for themselves without raising their suspicions that you no longer believe that the WTBTS is the sole channel to God.
Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,
Robert
i'm still in the matrix(the truth), but 'morpheus' and his team are valiantly working on a way to get me out.
in the meantime, everyday i am discovering so much about being a jw i never knew, like don't buy girl scout cookies, that i keep asking myself "what have i got myself into".. maat.
really lame for a first post, but i figure i should start some where.
Welcome Maat13, Girl Scout cookies are DEMON possessed because they taste SOOOOO GOOODDD! Especially the thin mints!! I have a box of Girl Scout short bread cookies just encase JWs knock on my door.
I'm glad that you were able to see TTATT about the WTBTS. If you want to learn more, please visit reputable websites like www.jwfacts.com, www.freedomofmind.com, www.watchtowerdocuments.com, www.jwsurvey.org, www.freeminds2.org, etc. The following video may be able to help you understand the WTBTS better: Strategic Interactive Approach explained 2003 (1:23:23).
By the way are you married to a JW? If you are, you will save yourself alot of frustration if you wait to tell your spouse about your feelings. Your marriage will do much better, if you do more independent research of the WTBTS and vent your frustrations on JWN until you have a plan to fade from the WTBTS.
Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,
Robert
from a new wt article (may, i think) about predicting the future.
and i quote:.
religious leaders sometimes predict tragic worldwide events to warn mankind and gather followers.
Many people have the tendancy to see their faults in others and like to point it out to other people.
I have a friend whose wife was very upset about him leaving his tooth brush on the bathroom counter-top. My friend went to the bathroom with his wife, looked at the counter top, and put a towel over his tooth brush and asked his wife whose tooth brush did she see now. She was a litle embaressed to now see her tooth brush on the counter top.
I wonder how to show/talk to JWs so that they can objectively see their faults without focusing on other people's faults.
Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,
Robert
my kids are so excited to see grandma again, after just a month.
she canceled her visit scheduled for 2 weeks ago, when she realized it was the weekend of the circuit assembly.
(they drive 75 miles, to go to the assembly hall, which is 3 miles from my house... we still wonder if they take the long way, or just hold their breath as they go driving by our property unnoticed).
Enjoy your time with your family and Mom, Faithful Witness. Building happy memories with your Mom is your best option to strengthen your relationship with her.
If the subject of your sister is brought up by your mother, you could ask your mom if she feels that your sister's attitude is being "unduly influenced" by her husband and/or has your sister's husband become more controlling of your sister.
Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,
Robert
hey everyone!
i haven't posted here in a while, over a year i think.
just goes to show where i'm at in the recovery stage.
Hi BreathoftheIndianNose, In the USA constitutional protections are from government and not from organizations like the WTBTS.
IMHO the only way to comply with the USA constitution and pro-actively influence organizations like the WTBTS is to revise non-profit laws to require that non-profit organizations must report child abuse/molestation ASAP to local law enforcement and to prevent organizations from using "undue influence" to promote shunning ex-members/not associating with outsiders to its members because it promotes religious discrimination and hatred.
Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,
Robert
