new light?
the article states that jesus never said there would be an increase in earthquakes, but that they would be "great" earthquakes in one place after the other...like we have seen lately.
this is quite a change with the wts' obsession of trying to prove that since 1914 there has been a significant increase in the number of occurances,comparing fictious numbers from the time of jc until 1914 and from 1914 until today!
Anyone who invokes HAARP, I'm blocking you. I can feel my synapses dying whenever I read anything those people write.
I have encountered several JWs who believe some of the stupidest crap. When you suppress a tendency as natural as curiosity, the human mind will find something to fill itself with. In my experience, people who know nothing will believe anything.
you know the scripture that speaks of the annointed (forget where exactly) that they will rule with christ as kings and priests in heaven??.
why doesnt it say kings and queens?
priests and priestesses??
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor freeman, there is neither male nor female; for YOU are all one [person] in union with Christ Jesus. - 1Pet 3:28
However, this I say, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit God’s kingdom, neither does corruption inherit incorruption. Look! I tell YOU a sacred secret: We shall not all fall asleep [in death], but we shall all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, during the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised up incorruptible, and we shall be changed. - 1Cor 15:50-52
Spirits have no gender, as they have no physical bodies or hormones that determine male or female. "Kings" in this context is used like "brothers" even when it's including women, as neuter.
which syestem do you think works better?
capitalism or communism.
i think none of them work.
Both (actually, all) systems fail miserably, because each depends on unrealistic ideals of people. Communism isn't the answer, because everybody suddenly has a bad back and is unable to work, but their reward is the same. Capitalism won't work, because the successful companies create monopolies and lobby lawmakers until the market is no longer free. Corruption and selfishness always end up ruining any economic system.
A traditional "nuclear" family is a communism: Dad works, mom cleans, everybody eats, and the kids go to college. That can work on a scale where everybody loves everybody else, but you can't run an entire government of strangers that way.
Theoretically, a free market will drive companies to offer the best quality at the lowest prices, while not alienating their customer base by destroying the environment. In reality, nobody cares as long as they aren't the ones getting cancer from chemical dumping contaminating the water supply. So, they buy crap from sweat shops covered in lead-based paint.
Ultimately, a benevolent and wise dictator who has our best interests at heart is the optimum form of government. Unfortunately, benevolent and wise people are hard to come by, harder to get into power, and prone to human limitations, mistakes, and eventual death. Now, where have we heard of a government like this that can actually accomplish its goals perfectly and last forever?
interesting.. here is the first thing i've found on the subject, though i haven't read much of it yet.. http://faculty.gordon.edu/hu/bi/ted_hildebrandt/otesources/05-deuteronomy/text/articles/heiser-deut32-bs.htm.
pseudo.
It's pretty obvious that most of you, in your rush to find fault with Jehovah - only for the fact that a control-freak cult invokes his name, jump on this bandwagon with absolutely no knowledge on the subject whatsoever.
"El", in Hebrew (and other Semitic languages) meant "God" and was used in several places in the OT. It is a shortened version of "Eloha" - singular of "Elohim". The Arabic equivalent is "Allah". The spelling, pronunciation, and meaning of "El" might have varied in the diverse Middle-Eastern dialects and refer to the local deity.
Just because "El" is used to refer to a Canaanite god in Canaanite mythology, which they claimed was above the god of their Jewish enemy neighbors - YHWH - doesn't make it so. This is exactly like the absolute argument that "Yahweh" must be the correct pronunciation, just because Jehovah's Witnesses don't use it.
With all the legitimate arguments against JWs, why the need to grasp at straws? This is exactly the sort of thing JWs focus on when describing "apostates".
It is certainly possible that many ancient gods had the backing of higher powers, in opposition to Jehovah. Of course, their version of events probably wouldn't read the same as his. Fragments of their "holy" books are buried in the sand, out in the middle of nowhere while Jehovah's book is available in 2400+ languages.
Sure, argue about how the Bible was compiled and its authenticity. I don't get involved in those discussions, because everybody's heard them before and each side chooses what they believe based almost solely on their desire to believe it. At least this argument is obscure and may actually confuse or mislead someone not familiar with it, so I chimed in. I'm done. Go back to copying and pasting your Zeitgeist quotes now.
it actually happened right next to a kh, but not the one they apparently attended even though they lived right by it.
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http://www.fresnobee.com/2011/04/01/2332870/car-chase-ends-with-3-killed-in.html.
Apostate claptrap! Everybody knows the Creator of the universe drops everything to make sure JWs engaging in "theocratic" activities are protected. Yeah, He didn't step in on behalf of John the Baptist or the apostles, but the Organization tm is the "greater (insert random Bible figure here)".
the elders have been spreading lies about me to jw friends and they are panicked.
they don't know what to make of it.
i've never given them reason to doubt my faithfulness or to make them think i talk against the organization.
Been there, done that, got the T-shirt. They'll deny, deny, deny and/or twist everything they've said into "innocent" paraphrasing. At first opportunity, they'll turn the conversation around and put you on the defense. If you decide to go over their heads, the C/O won't care; in fact, the elders you have a problem with will have his ear long before you and poison the well with him. He'll insist, after their private meeting you're not privy to, the elders slandering you be present at your meeting with him. Nothing will come of it that will be the least bit helpful. If you write to the Service Department, you'll get a copy-&-paste response (if one at all) and a copy of your letter will be given to the body of elders in your Hall. The elders will write their response - which will actually bear some weight with the Society - and you will never see it and never know what new things you're accused of. Everyone involved will view you as a rebel and a trouble-maker, condescending to you as being "spiritually weak".
so did the 'da society' give these dub internet savvies permission to start a forum?
because last i checked, the ole boys in their oversized brooklyn bunker didn't want their members on the internet unless it was to view their own official websites.
i thought maybe it was an apostate forum until i read their long winded, typically condescending jdub style membership guidelines:.
How typically JW! The hypocrisy is palpable. "We're going to disregard the 'counsel' of the Society by running this site, but woe unto you if you don't constantly toe the WT line. Don't you dare say anything controversial, while we call all the shots and do whatever we want.
This site is probably run by someone who wants so badly to be an elder he/she can taste it, but isn't qualified or desirable for the position. The holding of others to man-made rules is so indicative of JW mentality and the scrutiny, policing, and finger-pointing are just like being at the Hall.
Anyone craving the kind of human interaction available at the KH is probably not going to exactly be a barrel of laughs. It's going to be a nasty, backstabbing group of shut-ins and sycophants. Half the people there will be weighing every word so as not to offend and the other half will be scrutinizing ever word, trying to be offended. Who needs the drama?
http://chbook.stores.yahoo.net/2006items.html.
I don't know who make me more sick: The people who rip off their "brothers", by selling "theocratic" items for 10 times what they're worth or the morons who buy them. I could never understand the retards with the custom-bound WT books; you might as well leather-bind an Archie comic for all the sense that makes. And the huge duffel bags of literature and ridiculously-overpriced special sleeves for service slips and tracts.
You don't see Mormons carrying around all that junk and they have at least as many bizarre and proprietary doctrines to push. Could you imagine JWs trying to preach on bicycles? They'd have to have those baby trailers to haul around all of the "Bible aids". All that luggage, supposedly to talk about one book they refuse to read.
this find, if genuine, is significant.. http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_thelookout/20110330/ts_yblog_thelookout/could-lead-codices-prove-the-major-discovery-of-christian-history.
how would the watchtower react if evidence suggests that jesus died on a cross?
this would mean they lied to millions of their members saying that the instrument of jesus' execution was nothing more than a stake, an upright pole.. .
As long as nothing is said about it in the Watchtower, 99% of JWs will never know about it and the other 1% are already on the way out for other reasons. JWs are so brainwashed and brain-dead if there were photographs of the crucifixion, they wouldn't care. These are the people who could be told Jesus was clean-shaven, our literal hearts control emotion, God lives in the Pleiades, organ transplants are cannibalism, personality traits can be transferred via blood transfusions, "your leader is one: Christ" includes 80-year-old men in NY, and "generation" means whatever they damn-well tell you it means. These people are barely qualified to be Wal-Mart greeters; do you really think some obscure artifact is going to cause any great upheaval?
one of my doubts i mentioned to my wife was actually posed as a question by a householder to her a few days ago.
i have every once in a while mentioned some doubts i have had on the bible.
i usually get the same response, "wait on jehovah".
I tried this tactic myself; presenting my own questions as coming from outsiders. I quickly realized I could skip the middleman and copy & paste from the CD-ROM myself. If I can't find a satisfactory answer from my own research, chances are one of the losers in cheap suits won't be of any help. And if the question is a real poser, they'll write to the Society who will copy & paste from the CD-ROM, remind us to be submissive to God's "channel", and to wait on Jehovah (them). So, ultimately, what's the point.
