Posts by Vanderhoven7

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Why are Jehovah's Witnesses determined to be WRONG (about saying JUH-HO-VUH and JEE-Suss)?

by Terry in

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friends

all throughout history in greek, hebrew, and latin languages - there was no j sound!

no jay sound.. .

why did christians start using a non-hebrew name for the son of god?

Vanderhoven7

Re: The Real Name of God

What did Nehemia Gordon find in the Vatican Junk-Box?

Apparently the real name of God.

Hebrew Luke and John found in Vatican Junk Box – NehemiasWall.com

It is always fun to see Nehemia Gordon's enthusiasm over discoveries related to God's personal name.

However, I for one do not think it is at all important to know the exact Hebrew pronounciation of the Father's name or the Son's name for that matter. And I don't believe that proclaiming God's name means anything more than teaching and demonstrating His Person, attributes and character. The Pharisees may have known God's personal name and used it often, yet they were of another father.

The fact that there are first century fragments of John and Luke's gospels in Hebrew does not prove they predated those written in Greek. Nor does it prove that God’s name was in the originals. The fact is that none of the thousands of ancient Greek manuscripts or fragments thereof have the name.

That being said, I do believe that Yahovah with the accent on the last syllable is most likely right on. Nonetheless, I have no problem with those using Jehovah, or Yahweh and believe those are more accurate renderings of the divine name. In other words l don't think it's an issue of any importance.

If I had never heard my earthly father's first name, I would love him no less today....because I know him and what he did and what he was like.

ONLY those who pride themselves in knowing and using and teaching the name, should at least get it right...as Terry points out.

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“This generation will by no means pass away.”

by Fisherman in

for argument sake let’s assume that this verse should apply to 1914. what are your thoughts on generation?.

Vanderhoven7

Actually Russell predicted 1914 would bring on Armageddon or the end of human government.

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“This generation will by no means pass away.”

by Fisherman in

for argument sake let’s assume that this verse should apply to 1914. what are your thoughts on generation?.

Vanderhoven7

The generation Jesus was talking about in Matthew 24:34 is identical to the one he spoke about in Matthew 23:36.

34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. Mt 24:34

36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation. Mt 23:36

And incidentally, wherever the Greek word “genea” appears alone in the gospels, it is used to delineate “one set of parents to the next”. However, whenever genea is preceded by the definite article “this” (houtos) before “generation”, “this generation” (houtos genea), in context, clearly covers the same group of people, i.e., “Christ's contemporaries”

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IMHO the finest TV interview with Ex-JW's ever broadcast!

by Terry in

jw
friends

quite effective and enjoyable.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijzvt_jptx8&t=1306s.

Vanderhoven7

An oldie, but a goodie. I was just about to post this one myself and then I saw it was already posted. A real find Terry.

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Fascinating Quotations of The Faithful Slave

by Vanderhoven7 in

do you have any amazing quotations that have been produced by the faithful slave over the years?.

remember it's important that we should learn to love and value truth for it’s own sake; to respect and honor it by owning and acknowledging it wherever we find it and by whomever presented.

a truth presented by the faithful slave himself is just as true as a truth stated by god.. share some of those amazing quotations that have fascinated you.

Vanderhoven7

Disillusioned JW

Yes, its fascinating to see them denegrate the Bible to elevate their own importance.

"Unless we are in touch with this channel of communication that God is using, we will not progress along the road to life, no matter how much Bible reading we do,” (Watchtower, Dec. 1, 1981, p. 27).

WT 10/1/1967: "Thus the Bible is an organizational book and belongs to the Christian congregation as an organization, not to individuals, regardless of how sincerely they may believe they can interpret the Bible. For this reason the Bible cannot be properly understood without Jehovah's visible organization in mind."

WT 1/15/1983: "Would we know the way of the truth if it had not been for guidance from the organization? Really, can we get along without the direction of God's organization? No, we cannot!"

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Fascinating Quotations of The Faithful Slave

by Vanderhoven7 in

do you have any amazing quotations that have been produced by the faithful slave over the years?.

remember it's important that we should learn to love and value truth for it’s own sake; to respect and honor it by owning and acknowledging it wherever we find it and by whomever presented.

a truth presented by the faithful slave himself is just as true as a truth stated by god.. share some of those amazing quotations that have fascinated you.

Vanderhoven7

What do you think about this quotation?

Dealing with the relative value of the bible vs the publications

“... not only do we find that people cannot see the divine plan in studying the Bible by itself, but we see, also, that if anyone lays the SCRIPTURE STUDIES aside, even after he has used them, after he has become familiar with them, after he has read them for ten years - if he then lays them aside and ignores them and goes to the Bible alone, though he has understood his Bible for ten years, our experience shows that within two years he goes into darkness. On the other hand, if he had merely read the SCRIPTURE STUDIES with their references, and had not read a page of the Bible, as such, he would be in the light at the end of the two years, because he would have the light of the Scriptures.” Watchtower: September 15, 1910, page 298

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WHEN is the Kingdom of God coming?

by Fisherman in

when is the kingdom of god coming?.

on being asked by the pharisees when the kingdom of god was coming, he answered them: “the kingdom of god is not coming with paratherisis; 21 nor will people say, ‘see here!’ or, ‘there!’ for look!

the kingdom of god is in your midst.” —lu 17:20,21. .

Vanderhoven7

Jesus, on the subject of the parousia in Matthew 24, says to his disciples:

36 “But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son,[f] but only the Father..... they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man.....42 “Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come. 43 But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what time of night the thief was coming, he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into. 44 So you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him.

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Fascinating Quotations of The Faithful Slave

by Vanderhoven7 in

do you have any amazing quotations that have been produced by the faithful slave over the years?.

remember it's important that we should learn to love and value truth for it’s own sake; to respect and honor it by owning and acknowledging it wherever we find it and by whomever presented.

a truth presented by the faithful slave himself is just as true as a truth stated by god.. share some of those amazing quotations that have fascinated you.

Vanderhoven7

Watchtower November 1, 1930 p. 301 Millions of Prisoners to Hear the Gospel: "Satans organization claims to be Gods organization, and persecutes those who are actually members of Gods organization. Satans organization sails under the high-sounding name of "Christendom". It boasts of a membership of over 500,000,000 persons. Its members are in bondage to creeds, customs, rites and ceremonies; they dare not disown these or criticize or expose them. To do so would bring down on their heads taunts, reproaches, disfellowship and persecution. Many thousands of the Lords people are held in these denominations as prisoners, afraid to express their disapproval of the creeds, methods and customs of the organization."

Pot Kettle Black

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Fascinating Quotations of The Faithful Slave

by Vanderhoven7 in

do you have any amazing quotations that have been produced by the faithful slave over the years?.

remember it's important that we should learn to love and value truth for it’s own sake; to respect and honor it by owning and acknowledging it wherever we find it and by whomever presented.

a truth presented by the faithful slave himself is just as true as a truth stated by god.. share some of those amazing quotations that have fascinated you.

Vanderhoven7

The Watchtower, January 1, 1942 p. 5 "Those who are convinced that the "Watch Tower" is publishing the opinion of a (man) should not waste time looking at it at all. Those who believe that (GOD) uses " The Watch Tower" as a means of communicating to his people, or of calling their attention to his prophecies, should study "The Watch Tower" with thankfulness of heart."

Yearbook 1982 p. 226-7
As the number of Witnesses increased, the issue was continually brought to the attention of he public and the authorities alike. Finally, a law was approved decreeing that those who do not agree to do alternative service shall be sentenced to one single prison term, so that our young brothers are now given from 12 to 15 months? imprisonment...

From 1978 to 1980 there have been, on an average, 500 young brother?s a year in prison on account of the neutrality issue. It is calculated that up to the present, several thousand Witnesses have kept a clear conscience before Jehovah God in this respect.

United in Worship of the Only True God 1983 p. 167
An examination of the historical facts shows that not only have Jehovah?s Witnesses refused to put on military uniforms and take up arms but, during the past half century and more, they have also declined to do non-combatant service or to accept other work assignments as a substitute for military service.

The Watchtower 1986 September 1 p. 20
...when Caesar demanded to have God's things, they acted in harmony with the principles stated at Acts 4:19 and Acts 5:29. Whether the issue was shedding blood, non-combatant military work, alternative service, or saluting an image such as a national flag, faithful Christians took the position that there was no middle ground. In some cases they were executed because of this stand, Matthew 24:9; Revelation 2:10

Yearbook 1991 p. 166
"...attempts have been made (in Sweden) to have us substitute compulsory work for military service. In the early 1970's, a governmental committee was appointed to review the handling of conscientious objectors. For the sake of uniformity, the authorities wanted Jehovah's Witnesses to serve on terms similar to those for other religious groups and do compulsory work as a substitute.

Representatives of the branch office appeared before the committee, explaining that the Witnesses could not accept any substitute for military service whatsoever, no matter how praiseworthy the task.

The Watchtower 1996 May 1 p. 20.
What, though, if the State requires a Christian for a period of time to perform civilian service that is a part of national service under a civilian administration? Here again, Christians must make their own decisions based on an informed conscience? What if the Christian?s honest answers to such questions leads him to conclude that the national civilian service is a ?good work? that he can perform in obedience to the authorities? This is his decision before Jehovah. Appointed elders and others should fully respect the conscience of the brother and continue to regard him as a Christian in good standing.

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Wrong Religion

by Vanderhoven7 in

we brainstormed a while back on this forum and pooled our knowledge on how to recognize false religion.

i think the list is worth reviewing and adding to if possible.

please feel free to correct and or add insights of your own to this list:.

Vanderhoven7

@ Godbeliever

<<We need to listen to what Jesus has to say at his second coming too.>>

That's great! So do you think that it is possible that some who don't believe that Jesus presence (parousia) has occurred yet could be among those who survive Armageddon?

Have you been saved by faith Godbeliever? In other words, have you been justified by faith?