Posts by Vanderhoven7

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How Many of Jehovah’s Witnesses Are There Worldwide? FAQ Are You A Jehovah's Witness in REALITY

by Longlivetherenegades in

from the faq as captured on the website with this question (how many jehovah's witnesses are there worldwide?

) led to this question of mine who do the organization sees as a jehovah's witness?

the organization answers: .

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Do Jehovah's Witnesses force people into baptism?

Anon writes:

Of course not. That would be barbaric. They would prefer to instill fear in and belittle those who don’t get baptized.

"Similarly, Jehovah is using only one organization today to accomplish his will. To receive everlasting life in the earthly Paradise we must identify that organization and serve God as part of it." Watchtower1983 Feb 15 p.12

In order to identify with the “one organization”, which they do proudly announce is themselves, you must be baptized. Not being baptized and attending meetings does nothing for you when the Great Tribulation comes.

If you are not baptized, then you are not a Jehovahs Witness. According to them, if you are not a Jehovahs Witness you are one of the “wicked ones” god will destroy. How charming.

So no, the Jehovahs Witnesses do not force you to get baptized. They will just smile to your face and think you better do it before Armageddon or you are dead meat. They will preach to a congregation mixed with baptized and unbaptized children who have been given no choice regarding attendance that the unbaptized are wicked and will be punished.

But that’s not forcing anyone. That’s just showing love right?

Join us. Or die. That’s what they are really saying and wholeheartedly believe. It’s an oversimplification of their narrative and they will lash out at me for saying it but it’s true, they really believe if you don’t join them, you will die, and they will live perfect lives for trillions upon trillions of years petting lions and befriending hippos and rattlesnakes.

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Who really is the Faithful and Discreet Slave?

by Godlyman in

if anyone were to come up to you claiming that they are the faithful and discreet slave, how would you go about proving them to be false, based upon scripture?.

estephan.

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Contradiction Anyone?

Jer 17:5 Thus saith the LORD; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD.

Psa 146:3 Put not your trust in princes, nor in the son of man, in whom there is no help.

Psa 118:8 It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in man. 9 It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in princes.

"Since Jehovah God and Jesus Christ completely trust the faithful and discreet slave, should we not do the same?" Watchtower 2009 Feb 15 p.27

"The plain truth is that we cannot say that we trust in Jehovah if we do not trust in his earthly representatives - those whom Jehovah trusts. Today Jehovah leads the earthly part of his organization by means of "the faithful and discreet slave." The "Watchtower 2022 Feb p.4

"There are many reasons to have complete trust in the slave class. First and foremost, Jesus has appointed them over all his precious "belongings." This is a clear indication that he has complete trust in them." Organized to Do Jehovah's Will (2005) p.18

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What makes a cult (in the pejorative sense)?

by Vanderhoven7 in

michael moore writes:.

a cult is an organization that enslaves minds and destroys families using cult mind control.

cult mind control involves orchestrated deception, social pressure, psychological abuse, and repetitive indoctrination (brainwashing) centering around an unchallengeable ideology enforced in a totalitarian way in a closed socially-separatist community setting.

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More 2 minute evidence...

https://youtu.be/RUQuU5OL6_o

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What makes a cult (in the pejorative sense)?

by Vanderhoven7 in

michael moore writes:.

a cult is an organization that enslaves minds and destroys families using cult mind control.

cult mind control involves orchestrated deception, social pressure, psychological abuse, and repetitive indoctrination (brainwashing) centering around an unchallengeable ideology enforced in a totalitarian way in a closed socially-separatist community setting.

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Marie writes:

Because they are a cult they control every aspect of your life; who you are friends with, what you wear, what you watch and even what you eat. Also if you are female you are treated as less than. You come in third in life after God and Men.
They hide sexual abuse as well. They break up families by disfellowshipping people who want to leave and your not allowed to have anything to do with them.
Children are ignored on their birthdays and all the other holidays are not allowed either.
You get to sit apart from all the other kids when they are doing holiday things or singing an anthem in school. Then you get made fun of and bullied by the other kids.
It’s an abusive way to raise children!
It is a cult that needs to be abolished.
I was raised in it. I know all about it.
You do not need some man made religion to have God in your life.

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What makes a cult (in the pejorative sense)?

by Vanderhoven7 in

michael moore writes:.

a cult is an organization that enslaves minds and destroys families using cult mind control.

cult mind control involves orchestrated deception, social pressure, psychological abuse, and repetitive indoctrination (brainwashing) centering around an unchallengeable ideology enforced in a totalitarian way in a closed socially-separatist community setting.

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Michael Moore writes:
A cult is an organization that enslaves minds and destroys families using cult mind control. Cult mind control involves orchestrated deception, social pressure, psychological abuse, and repetitive indoctrination (brainwashing) centering around an unchallengeable ideology enforced in a totalitarian way in a closed socially-separatist community setting. (Not all cults have live-in campuses, but all are socially separatist.) Each of these four tactics by themselves are ancient, but combined simultaneously, they cause the subject to throw up their hands and give up mentally resisting. That “secret sauce” uncovered by experimentation in the mid-1800’s is what’s new. That is mind control.

Michael adds:

Published cult researchers tend to agree on these characteristics, making this the only definition that is both concise and accurate, though a bit simplistic. But you will not recognize cult activities in the field armed only with this one-paragraph definition. Study is required in order to recognize cults and protect yourself.

Yes, Jehovah’s Witnesses are the quintessential Christian cult, for they fully meet this definition.

The size, popularity, or trending of a given organization is not evidence pro or con as to whether that organization is a cult. Whether they perpetrate cult mind control is the only litmus test. Larger or smaller organizations can perpetrate cult mind control.

There are many myths and false definitions about cults, including “a cult is a small organization centering around a single leader”. No, it is the use of cult mind control that makes an organization a cult.

I was a Jehovah’s Witness for 28 years, after which I spent 14 years in active self-directed recovery. If they were not a cult, then those 14 years of recovery work would not have been necessary or productive, yet they were.

The best evidence is the testimony of the millions of former recovering or recovered cult members. Current cult members do not know how mind control works, for mind control does not work on people who know.

No one who is being subjected to mind control recognizes that they are. No one admits that their organization is a cult, except tongue-in-cheek, or where using a false definition.

"No topic is more buried in myth, disinformation, and prejudice than cults and mind control. Discernment is necessary. Intellectual discipline is necessary. Overcoming personal biases is necessary.
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The Gospel According to Jehovah's Witnesses

by Vanderhoven7 in

mark jones explains the watchtower gospel much better than i can.. "the good news that christians in the first century preached was the birth, death and resurrection of jesus christ; that all those who believed in him were saved and reconciled to god through the death of his son.. unfortunately jehovah’s witnesses) have been led to believe it is something bizarrely different.

the good news according to the watchtower society is as follows:.

the the good news (according to jehovah’s witnesses).

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Would you believe;

A pair of elders from a group I never heard of before (Yahweh's Saints) told me that those taking the lead in their organization are collectively the sole spokesmen for God on earth, Then they told me that they don’t have any leaders but Jesus Christ…which I found quite contradictory. I’ll call these guys non-leaders so you know who I’m talking about.

They said that Jesus appointed 16 of their church non-leaders to be his Faithful Slave way back in 1937 in Toronto, Ontario Canada. (See Matthew 24:45-47) They said that their religion was the one true religion and that all others were Satan's organization. It’s fully Bible-based they said, but they couldn't show me Toronto, Canada in the Bible; nor could they name all 16 non-leaders or why Jesus appointed them. They said that 1934 was the year Jesus returned invisibly and started ruling which the second world war, affirms. Jerusalem was destroyed in 587 BCE + 2520 years = 1934. It’s all in the Bible they said, and if I don’t believe that and follow their non-leaders I will die at Armageddon. Plain and simple.

And no; they said they have not made any false predictions based on OT prophecies like cults have or handed out millions in child sex abuse cases because they report every allegation to authorities immediately whether the law obliges them or not. And they never banned blood fractions or alternate service or vaccinations or organ transplants. Their non-leaders are the only true channel of communication between Yahweh and mankind and that Jesus trusts them and therefore so should we. "What more proof do you need", they said, "believe this gospel and come to our victorious organization for salvation before it’s too late!"

What should I tell them? Should I join Them? I mean, their beliefs are all Bible-based - right? Oh yes, then they cautioned me not to go to university or get married because there is not enough time for that.

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Is the governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses REALLY the "faithful and discreet slave" of Matt. 24:45-47?

by Roger Kirkpatrick in

thesis: when someone who is given a responsibility mistakes that responsibility for authority, bullying is very likely to occur.. jesus spoke an illustration recorded at matthew 24: 45-51 which well illustrates this thesis.. jesus asked, “who really is the faithful and discreet slave whom his master appointed over all his domestics, to give them their food at the proper time?

happy is that slave if his master on arriving finds him doing so.

truly i say to you, he will appoint him over all his belongings.

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The faithful slave controversy

https://youtu.be/MUHAVw9P--k

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What hymns will you never hear sung in Kingdom Halls of Jehovah's Witnesses?

by Vanderhoven7 in

for sure you will never hear the national anthem of heaven below.

do you know others?.

https://youtu.be/gkovqfcdegu.

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Right Jan...that last verse is a definite no no.

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Any news on Blood?

by Fisherman in

i haven’t seen anything in the news lately and wt position remains the same, so no change.

except, that when there is massive blood loss, my family mds have told me that without a bt there is practically zero chance of pulling through—short of an act of god.

jw know this and have decided beforehand.