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  Holy barbasol Batman! Beards are now allowed!

  by nowwhat? in

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  latest gb update.

  only took them 20 years to see beards are acceptable in society.

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  Vanderhoven7

  @ Ding: Re GB Control

  Mark Jones writes:
  

  How much control does the GB have over members?

  It depends on the member.

  For some, the control is absolute. For others (most in fact) the control is, at the very least, very high.

  If a Watchtower magazine tells them to pray to Jesus - they will.

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  If a Watchtower magazine tells them not to pray to Jesus - they’ll stop.

  If a Watchtower magazine tells them to let their child die - they will.

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  If a Watchtower magazine tells them to die for refusing to get involved in politics - they will.

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  If a Watchtower magazine tells them to get involved in politics by lobbying for a political decision to secure the leaders assets - they will.

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  If a Watchtower magazine tells them to bribe officials - they will.

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  If a Watchtower magazine tells them to shun their own children - they will.

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  If a Watchtower magazine tells them to reject organ transplants - they will.

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  If a Watchtower magazine tells them believe that Jesus is just an angel - they will.

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  And to top it all off, anyone who decides the religion isnt true and simply wishes to leave can… but they’ll lose their family. Dennis Cybulski doesn't mention that bit to you because he’s trying to sugarcoat it to make it sound like a real religion.

  You know, like a cult?

  

  Footnotes

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  Jehovah's Witness historical worship of Jesus until 1954

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  https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/101994360

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  The different standards applied to brothers in Malawi, Mexico and the Oath of allegiance

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  https://www.jw.org/en/news/jw/region/global/global-unity-letter-writing-campaign/

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  https://www.jw.org/en/news/jw/region/malawi/letter-writing-campaign-for-russia/

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  The different standards applied to brothers in Malawi, Mexico and the Oath of allegiance

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  https://www.jw.org/en/library/books/gods-love/disfellowshipped-person/

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  https://www.jw.org/en/library/videos/#en/mediaitems/pub-jwbcov_201605_3_VIDEO

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  Watchtower Quotes Regarding Transplants

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  https://www.jw.org/en/library/books/bible-teach/who-is-michael-the-archangel-jesus/

  
  
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  What's Wrong with the Watchtower Gospel?

  by Vanderhoven7 in

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  there are many things wrong with the gospel jehovah's witnesses preach.

  here is one.. according to their literature, only those associated with the watchtower organization will survive armageddon into the new system.

  is this what the apostles preached as gospel?.

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  There are many things wrong with the gospel Jehovah's Witnesses preach. Here is one.

  According to their literature, ONLY those associated with the Watchtower Organization will survive Armageddon into the new system. Is this what the Apostles preached as gospel?
  

  Only Jehovah's Witnesses, those of the anointed remnant and the "great crowd," as a united organization under the protection of the Supreme Organizer, have any Scriptural hope of surviving the impending end of this doomed system dominated by Satan the Devil." Watchtower 1989 Sep 1 p.19

  "During the final period of the ancient world that perished in the Flood, Noah was a faithful preacher of righteousness. (2 Peter 2:5) In these last days of the present system of things, Jehovah's people are making known God's righteous standards and are declaring good news about the possibility of surviving into the new world. (2 Peter 3:9-13) Just as Noah and his God-fearing family were preserved in the ark, survival of individuals today depends on their faith and their loyal association with the earthly part of Jehovah's universal organization." Watchtower 2006 May 15 p.22 "Are You Prepared for Survival?"

  "Similarly, Jehovah is using only one organization today to accomplish his will. To receive everlasting life in the earthly Paradise we must identify that organization and serve God as part of it." Watchtower 1983 Feb 15 p.12

  "... to leave Jehovah's organization ... we would lose not only the privilege of doing God's will but also the hope of life in God's new world." Watchtower 2016 Jun study ed p.26

  "But if we were to draw away from Jehovah's organization, there would be no place else to go for salvation and true joy." Watchtower 1993 Sep 15 p.22
  "They must appreciate that identifying themselves with Jehovah's organization is essential to their salvation." Kingdom Ministry 1990 Nov p.1

  "At this stage of the affairs of man, it is absolutely impossible for anyone, professed Christian or otherwise, to stand independently of the one organisation that is bearing witness worldwide to Jehovah, his goodness and supremacy in accord with the 145th Psalm and, in fact, in accord with all the Scriptures." Yearbook 1982 p.259
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  Were we really meant to live forever?

  by Leathercrop in

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  our capacity for adaptation (there's an official term somewhere) is apparently very vast.

  meaning that whatever is a novelty always becomes old news and apparently it happens very quickly.

  human beings in fact have to put a lot of effort into not discarding valuable things and relationships because of our overwhelming tendency to become incredibly used to it and just plain bored with them.

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  Good news! Heaven will come down to earth once the earth is ready and death will be a thing of the past. Since knowledge is limitless, we will always have something to learn and bless others with. Exciting times ahead. Keep your lamps burning with Holy Ghost fire until then.

  https://youtu.be/26k7Pvy3y64?si=UK_IU4riXA_GZ472
  
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  Hip replacement on Monday. Wish me luck.

  by GrreatTeacher in

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  2. medical

  as the title says i'm having a total hip replacement on monday.

  the pain has grown over the years and now i'm using a cane to walk.

  after steroid injections and physical therapy, it was decided that a total hip replacement is appropriate.

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  Vanderhoven7

  Great news! Trusting all complications are now over.
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  Hip replacement on Monday. Wish me luck.

  by GrreatTeacher in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  as the title says i'm having a total hip replacement on monday.

  the pain has grown over the years and now i'm using a cane to walk.

  after steroid injections and physical therapy, it was decided that a total hip replacement is appropriate.

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  Vanderhoven7

  We will be looking to hear a good report on Tuesday GrreatTeacher!
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  The Saddest Thing About Tony Morris's Removal

  by NotFormer in

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  i've mentioned before how i've wondered how tony morris must have felt when he was sacked.

  yes, i know he's a rehensible human being who got served a healthy dose of karma, or, if you like, divine judgement.

  to go from having all there is to have within the world he lived in, to where he is now; that's a long fall.

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  Vanderhoven7

  Being put down a peg should be a humbling experience for him, I'm sure.
  

  But remember, he has a nice home to live in and family, I.e., a wife and sons to support him and I'm sure his physical needs are met by the WTS. And I'm sure also that he and his wife can afford more of that expensive whiskey.to enjoy in retirement.
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  Did Christ PASS or FAIL the org? 😁

  by BoogerMan in

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  inspection year: 1918 result: failed inspection.

  inspection year: 1918 result: passed inspection.

  inspection year: 1918 result: passed inspection.

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  Dabid sums it up pretty well

  "Trying to understand the process by which Jehovah's Witnesses get their new understandings is quite a challenge. They claim to be directed by God and the Bible, but their teachings go in circles and seem to have no direction at all.

  They should just confess that they have no idea what they are talking about, but instead they say that your life depends on obeying them and this weird direction that they supposedly receive from God."
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  Did Christ PASS or FAIL the org? 😁

  by BoogerMan in

  1. watchtower
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  inspection year: 1918 result: failed inspection.

  inspection year: 1918 result: passed inspection.

  inspection year: 1918 result: passed inspection.

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  Vanderhoven7

  Must have reevaluated in April 1919 after realizing prophetic speculators, pyramid promoters, flip-floppers were the best Christendom had to offer at the time.
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  If 1914 gets tossed

  by Leathercrop in

  1. watchtower
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  it feels like the change in reporting of hours becomes a fundamentally bigger deal every day.

  the weight and importance placed on quantity was enormous, and now it's just gone.

  even tho most witnesses really didn't keep "accurate" records so to speak hehehe.... this could very well be a precursor to even bigger doctrinal changes, like 1914. damn, would would happen then?.

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  Vanderhoven7

  Phizzy is right on. 1914 is critical to Watchtower authority.
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  WT and Deathbed Salvation?

  by Vanderhoven7 in

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  eight million jehovah's witnesses do not believe they are saved, so how can they in short order tell you how to get saved on your deathbed?.

  instead, they might tell you, “look you are about to die and the great tribulation has not started yet, so you don't need to repent and believe anything really.

  just die and your death will pay for your sins and unless you have sinned against the holy spirit, you will be raised along with most everybody else and learn from others such as abraham, isaac and jacob, how to live for the kingdom during the 1000 year reign of christ.

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  JW: Have you come to God's visible victorious organization for salvation?

  Me: What if I haven’t by the time the GT starts?

  JW: Then you will be eternally destroyed by Jehovah at Armageddon along with 8 billion of the earth's inhabitants!!!

  Me: Is that the good news you preach? What does the Bible teach?

  JW: (getting angry): yes, it's good news for us, bad news for everyone else who can't see past the unbiblical gospel we preach, the unrelatable Jesus we proclaim, the false prophetic speculation we engaged in, the loving unscriptural disfellowship provisions we enforce and the child sex abuse we have mishandled for decades on end. If you can't see we are the one true religion and the only Christians on earth, you deserve destruction at Armageddon.