@ Riley
Excellent video! Clear and edifying.
Have you seen any of Steve Gregg's videos. He has an excellent video on the four views on Revelation.
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Why I dislike eschatology
by Riley inhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ouye3e0fypc&t=183s&pp=yguzd2h5igkgzglzbglrzsblc2noyxrvbg9neq%3d%3d.
please take the time to watch.
i am not good with words but i have heard someone so eloquently explain how i feel about something.
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NEW LEAKED ANNUAL MEETING VIDEO :KENNETH COOK :THE DISFELLOSHIPPING IS NOT GOING AWAY ANYTIME SOON
by raymond frantz inhttps://youtu.be/6ga9v7ffrwk?si=0lor5qquapmq8ck4.
what you are about to watch is another leaked instalment from the recent annual meeting delivered by kenneth cook with the theme "help to tear down and build up" and highlights tge new take o disfellowshipping that will from now concentrate on major wrongdoing whereas minor wrongdoing will be dealt with kind and love.so the watchtower's at it again, rewriting the narrative like an old tv show that conveniently forgets a character's past.
for decades, the organization has been the ultimate gatekeeper, quick to kick out members for even minor missteps—let's not forget how jehovah's witnesses have had to grovel and practically beg to be reinstated.
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Yes, but the question i asked myself is.... why did they change their position on this issue?
My take is that it represents an attempt at damage control since they have repeatedly written that God will automatically and eternally destroy billions during the Tribulation or at Armageddon, simply because they are not Jehovah's Witnesses. And yet, if they died before the Great Tribulation starts these non-Witnesses automatically get a resurrection into a safe new system.
And now Witnesses can say, maybe billions won't die; we don't know... after all Jesus is the judge, He judges the heart, not us...so we can't say exactly who will survive....there are plenty who have not heard our message yet.blah, blah, blah. You just are not up to date on our current understanding etc.
Then you have to corner them by saying....so one does not have to associate with an organization with headquarters in New York to survive the GT and Armageddon - that's wonderful! I agree fully... Then they accuse you of twisting their words. Then you are free tell them they can't have it both ways.
By the way, I believe Armageddon happened in 70 AD.
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NEW LEAKED ANNUAL MEETING VIDEO :KENNETH COOK :THE DISFELLOSHIPPING IS NOT GOING AWAY ANYTIME SOON
by raymond frantz inhttps://youtu.be/6ga9v7ffrwk?si=0lor5qquapmq8ck4.
what you are about to watch is another leaked instalment from the recent annual meeting delivered by kenneth cook with the theme "help to tear down and build up" and highlights tge new take o disfellowshipping that will from now concentrate on major wrongdoing whereas minor wrongdoing will be dealt with kind and love.so the watchtower's at it again, rewriting the narrative like an old tv show that conveniently forgets a character's past.
for decades, the organization has been the ultimate gatekeeper, quick to kick out members for even minor missteps—let's not forget how jehovah's witnesses have had to grovel and practically beg to be reinstated.
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There is a reason that the GB is now admitting ignorance regarding the ability of sinners to repent after the GT starts. They lose nothing but gain the appearance of bring humble and hopeful.
But the outcome is still the same. The fact that they admit they don't know means zip when it comes to relieving the fear of it being too late to repent. Still better repent and come back to the organization now in case.
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Leaked Annual Meeting Video: "Expect Sudden Changes" Jeffrey Jackson
by raymond frantz inhttps://youtu.be/uxqqyrrffow?si=wo0jotyvjg76oljk.
well that's sort of related to the next talk on our program brother jeffrey jackson will discuss the theme don't be surprised by sudden changes, brother jeff you have our.
attention well i'm sure we all agree with this fact in recent years there have been a lot of changes even since the last annual meeting there have been many changes some of them perhaps are a little surprising or may seem to be sudden but you know brothers and sisters when we look back on how these changes have come we can see that jehovah has gradually prepared us for each of these adjustments and changes let's review some of the recent changes we've had what changes have we seen with regard to our understand understanding of bible teachings at the 2021 annual meeting we received an adjusted understanding of john 529 it was explained that the resurrection of judgment will not be a judgment of condemnation rather it will be more like a period of probation the unrighteous mentioned at acts 24:15 will have an opportunity to gain everlasting life but their names will not be written wr in the book of life at the time of their resurrection to have their names eventually written in that book these ones will need to respond positively to the great educational work that will take place during the thousand-year reign then at the annual meeting in 2023 we gained enhanced insight into what we do know and what we don't know concerning jehovah's judgments we learned that the door of opportunity for people to take a stand for the kingdom does not shut when the great tribulation starts with the destruction of false religion at that time perhaps some will be like the egyptians in moses day who took a last minute stand and joined the exodus of god's people at the same annual meeting we adjusted our views with regard to jehovah's judgments of those who died in the flood and those who were destroyed in sodom and gomorrah also at that annual meeting an adjustment was made regarding the reporting of our time and activity in our preaching work instead of focusing on reports we try to make good use of every opportunity to witness then we receive the 2024 governing body update number two in that update we saw the need to adjust how we interact with those who have committed serious sins and have been removed from the congregation what other major adjustments have we recently seen in our preaching work the emphasis now is on studing bible studies and making disciples not on distributing literature to that end the focus is on studying meaningful conversations not just on using memorized presentations were you surprised by these adjustments perhaps so but as we look back we see how one adjustment in understanding gradually helped us with the next adjustment isn't it true that gradually jehovah has prepared us and when we look back on it we see how logical this training has been to refine our understanding but events in the world likewise have changed it's true sometimes in the world you have sudden changes for example the pandemic but often times change in the world is gradual isn't it true with regard to the view of morality homosexuality abortion even what's acceptable and not acceptable with regard to conduct all of that has happened gradually in the world and it's not until you look back and see how different the world is today with regard to those matters that we see that there have been a lot of changes but this can be dangerous because as things gradually change we may get used to gradual change and forget that there are some sudden changes about to occur uh let's take our bibles please and if you turn with me to the book of luke chap 21 now this is an example of sudden change in luke chap 21 uh notice there in verse 34 the words of our lord jesus are recorded and he said in verse 34 but pay attention to yourselves that your hearts never become weighed down with oving and heavy drinking and anxieties of life and suddenly suddenly that they be instantly instantly upon you it's interesting to note that jesus had already said that this day he was referring to would occur at a time that we don't think is likely so what lesson do we learn from what jesus said it's a warning isn't it that we can't just sit back and think well things are gradually going to develop we know which way it's going and maybe it's not going to happen yet you know got a little bit more wiggle room there with regard to the schedule but you see that's dangerous thinking now what we're going to do is consider two examples of areas where perhaps we could be a little guilty with regard to that for example our view as with regard to the number of anointed ones remaining on the earth now for many years what did we think we thought well that number would go down and down and down and down now i don't know about you but me i you when that report came out just how many how many partakers and and what were we thinking we probably you maybe we didn't say it but we were thinking you know the number will go down down down down and there'll be just a couple of old guys in a wheelchair who will get their reward well i'm exaggerating but that was sort of the feeling wasn't it but now what have we seen in recent years those numbers have gone up and up and not only that younger brothers have been appointed on the governing body now i know what you're all thinking two new ones how old are they we know you're not googling now but you will be but you see we need to be careful about what we're thinking with regard to the number of anointed ones left on earth you see 19 years ago i was appointed on the governing body even i thought i was too young now they tell me i'm not so young anymore but do we see the point what does the bible actually tell us with regard to this well it doesn't say the number would just dwindle down to just having a few uh older ones left no the great crowd of other sheep will be judged on the basis of how they deal with
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Sigh...Armageddon was in 70 A.D.
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A jury acquits Jehovah’s Witness in PA.
by was a new boy intrial of lancaster city jehovah’s witness member accused of molestation begins.
jose antonio serrano.
lancaster county prison.
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Mark Jones reports some positive developments:
- The elders who raped children are finally being sent to prison despite the org ordering elders to destroy their notes (evidence) relating to child abuse reported to them in the Kingdom Hall , and thanks to the brave victims to reported them to the police - knowing the org would command their family/friends to shun the victims for doing so. The child raping elders will be welcomed back into the congregation with open arms after they’ve served their prison time.
Jehovah's Witness elder jailed for child sexual abuseBrian Jenkins used his position in religion to indecently assault a "terrified" schoolgirl.Jehovah's Witnesses destroyed notes about child sex abuse, inquiry toldChurch elder tells royal commission that 1,006 allegations of abuse since 1950 were dealt with internally rather than reported them to police- The membership has dropped - forcing the org to start counting unbaptized publishers in their stats, and to count JW children as “bible studies” to fool the members that everything is fine.
- Governing Body member Tony Morris becoming a “non-person” - dissapearing entirely without a word or explanation. Even the official website only mentioned his removal as a side note - then deleted it within 24 hours.
Yes, there’s plenty to be glad about when it comes to looking at the Jehovah’s Witness cult.
Footnotes
[1] https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.fox43.com/article/news/local/lancaster-county/former-jehovahs-witness-elder-convicted-sexually-abusing-three-children/521-d7f5a29a-e5c6-4948-b51a-01866620e219&ved=2ahUKEwifkNioyIaJAxUmcfEDHZFcIQIQxfQBKAB6BAgIEAE&usg=AOvVaw12fgNXx7jGSztGrbsFT954[2] https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://lancasteronline.com/news/local/lancaster-jehovah-s-witness-elder-found-guilty-on-all-charges-for-1999-molestations/article_b0333c7a-2432-11ef-99be-3f5eed5f6a8e.html&ved=2ahUKEwifkNioyIaJAxUmcfEDHZFcIQIQxfQBKAB6BAgMEAE&usg=AOvVaw2aJiyiE6Qmc2S8jm6Afx89 -
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Why did God give the Ministry of Reconciliation (Justification) to the apostles instead of the Kingdom message?
by Sea Breeze inwhy did god give the ministry of reconciliation (justification) to the apostles when starting churches rather that the kingdom message in matt.
24: 14 that jesus spoke about?
2 cor.
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The genuine gospel: Content
The risen Christ clarified the true gospel that was to be preached to all nations
Luke 24:44-47 And he [Jesus] said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me. 45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures, 46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: 47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
Peter preached the true gospel to Cornelius and company in Acts 10 this way:
Acts 10:39-4339 And we are witnesses of all things which Jesus did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and hanged on a tree: 40 Him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly; 41 Not to all the people, but unto witnesses chosen before of God, even to us, who did eat and drink with him after he rose from the dead. 42 And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead. 43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins. (See also Acts 2:22-37)
Paul summarizes the content of the true gospel in I Corinthians 15 this way: I Corinthians 15:1-4 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have. received, and wherein ye stand; 2. By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. 3. For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4. And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
Paul and Philip preached the gospel of the kingdom by preaching Christ:
Acts 28:23: " So when they had appointed him a day, many came to him at his lodging, to whom he explained and solemnly testified of the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus from both the Law of Moses and the Prophets, from morning till evening."
Acts 8:5 Then Philip went down to the city of Samaria, and preached Christ unto them.
Acts 8:35 Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him (Eunuch) Jesus.
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Why did God give the Ministry of Reconciliation (Justification) to the apostles instead of the Kingdom message?
by Sea Breeze inwhy did god give the ministry of reconciliation (justification) to the apostles when starting churches rather that the kingdom message in matt.
24: 14 that jesus spoke about?
2 cor.
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Jehovah's Witnesses preach a counterfeit gospel, the content of which is intricately complex, involving personal names, unbiblical dates and imagined 20th century events. Consequently, Witnesses find it difficult to summarize their gospel without including these extra-biblical additions. The best way to be prepared to discuss the good news with Witnesses is to know:
A. the genuine/biblical gospel.
B. how to share the genuine gospel with anyone including Witnesses
C. how to answer the Watchtower's objections to justification by faith.
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A. The genuine/biblical gospel?
1. The genuine gospel: labeled
In the King James version, the word gospel appears 98 times. The scriptures identify the gospel in a number of ways. An exemplary scriptural reference follows every identification.
the gospel Mt.11:5
this gospel Mt. 26:13
the gospel of the kingdom Mt.9:35, Acts 20:24-25
this gospel of the kingdom Mt. 24:14
Christ's gospel II Cor. 2:12
the gospel of Christ Ro.15:29
the gospel of Jesus Christ Mk 1:1
the gospel of our lord Jesus Christ II Thes. 1:89
the gospel of God Ro. 15:16
the gospel of the grace of God Acts 20:24
my gospel II Tim. 2:8
our gospel I Thes 1:5
the gospel of peace Eph. 6:15
the everlasting gospel Rev. 14:6
the gospel of your salvation Eph. 1:13
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MM writes:
We know WHY Jody Jedele was appointed as a jehovah witness governing god fraction…he is prominent in realty, and as watchtower is really just a real-estate conglomerate, religion in name only for its financial benefits and protections, Jody’s knowledge and skill set will be useful for their real-estate empire to grow. And watchtower is nothing, if not opportunistic, when it comes to exploiting the skills of their slaves for the corporation’s further enrichment.
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M.M writes
Jody Jedele, one of the two new god fractions jehovah witnesses worship. There, for now, is no picture of the other new god fraction, Jacob Rumph. Rumph did, however, give the concluding prayer of this years annual meeting, though.
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Proof of two destinies for believers in the Bible, heavenly and earthly
by slimboyfat inthe jw idea that believers are destined either for heavenly life or for endless life on earth comes in for significant criticism by critics of various kinds.
even some groups, such as the christadelphians, who share belief in a future paradise earth, don’t share the view that some christians are destined for life in heaven.
yet there is surprisingly quite a lot of evidence in the bible for the existence of two distinct groups of believers.
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Biblically speaking, there is only one hope for Christians. And that hope is heavenly. There is no distinction among Christians, ancient or modern.