Posts by Vanderhoven7

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Why are so many Jehovah’s Witnesses Angry and Rude?

by Vanderhoven7 in

why do you think many jws are hostile and rude?

or is that just my imagination?.

mark jones writes: the vast majority of jehovah’s witnesses are nice people.

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Charlie Ryde is an apostate to the WTS. She writes

Jehovahs Witnesses have a harsh spirit against Apostate exJWs because of the same reasons they do/think/say anything in their lives: Because the Watchtower and Governing Body told them to.

The following passage is what the Watchtower Org tells them about anyone who speaks out against their doctrines or beliefs.

apostates are “mentally diseased,” and they seek to infect others with their disloyal teachings. (1 Tim. 6:3, 4) Jehovah, the Great Physician, tells us to avoid contact with them.
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The JWs you meet in real life are not usually as vile as the ones you see on Quora. The true narcissists seem to gravitate to this app. I have, though, encountered plenty of JWs that felt free to publicly chastise me or turn the other direction when they see me coming, including my own brother.

If you were to believe all of the tripe posted by JWs on Quora you would come to the conclusion that all of us that speak out against the Watchtower do so because we are gross sinners who just want to do what we want and are marked for destruction. For them to encounter people that are articulate and intelligent, people who have resolved their problems by leaving, or people that have the stated mission that they are speaking out in order to protect others, is so contrary to what the Watchtower tells then to believe that they just can’t manage it.

So they attack us, because you always hate what you fear. That is the foundation of bigotry.

A personality constant you will find with JWs is a basic lack of empathy. It is top to bottom in the organization. Imagine a people who pride themselves on shunning their own children and families for the teachings of some false prophets who claim they are anointed by God. They consider it a strength to discard their child like trash.

I am an Apostate. I work in healthcare. We take in the “mentally diseased” and try to help them cope. The Watchtower Organization is so afraid of their member’s weak faith, and they should be. The false prophecies continue to stack up. Time continues to tick tick tick into the future that should never have existed.

I am an Apostate. I hope to save someone from having their life stolen by this controlling cult. I will accept the hatred of the many for the sake of the few.

Footnotes

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https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2011524#h=9

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Are Jehovah's Witnesses who are disfellowshipped allowed to communicate and comfort each other while waiting to be reinstated?

by Vanderhoven7 in

i just read about a disfellowshipped person who was looking for other disfellowshipped persons to socialize with.

what does the org have to say about this?.

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Are there any other former JWs looking to return? I seek companionship

Here is the message I gave that downcast lonley soul.

"Sounds like you have been disfellowshipped and are trying to get reinstated. Parents won't talk to you? Your friends have forsaken you lest they too get disfellowshipped. I'm sure when you attend meetings no one is allowed to talk to you and you must avoid eye contact with others in right standing with organization. Now you are seeking fellowship with other outcasts of the religion who may want to share your sorrows with you.

But unlike the prodigal son, you must come crawling back begging for people to accept you…but the elders don't come running to greet you and hug you and have a party, do they? You will find plenty of outcast Witnesses at

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com

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Are Jehovah's Witnesses who are disfellowshipped allowed to communicate and comfort each other while waiting to be reinstated?

by Vanderhoven7 in

i just read about a disfellowshipped person who was looking for other disfellowshipped persons to socialize with.

what does the org have to say about this?.

Vanderhoven7

I just read about a disfellowshipped person who was looking for other disfellowshipped persons to socialize with. What does the Org have to say about this?

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Basic Blood Questions For Witnesses

by Vanderhoven7 in

basic blood questions for jehovah's witnesses.

where does the bible outlaw blood transfusions?

(acts 15:29 gen.9:4) .

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And JWs considered God didn't want them to be vaccinated for decades or have an organ transplant between 1967 and 1980. How many JWs lost their lives considering what Jehovah of the Watchtower wanted.

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Basic Blood Questions For Witnesses

by Vanderhoven7 in

basic blood questions for jehovah's witnesses.

where does the bible outlaw blood transfusions?

(acts 15:29 gen.9:4) .

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Question For The readers: Do JWs distinguish between eating and transfusing blood?

Answer:

Jehovah’s Witnesses do not distinguish between eating or drinking and transfusing blood. Storing blood is also on the prohibited list. Jehovah allows some components of blood to be transfused, but not the so-called primary components including plasma, platelets, white blood cells and red blood cells . Jehovah allows blood to be removed from the body temporarily, to be cleaned for example, as long as it is returned uninterrupted in its flow.

Note however that Jehovah allows blood to be drawn and stored temporarily in test tubes to be tested later on because it only involves small amounts.

But what Jehovah doesn’t seem to understand is that all the components of plasma are on Jehovah’s acceptable list i.e. water, proteins and blood clotting fractions, factors XIII and IX.

Another thing Jehovah of the Watchtower organization doesn’t understand is that millions of white blood cells are passed from mother to baby while nursing. I don’t know why nursing mothers are not disfellowshipped for not sticking solely with formula.

Lastly, after banning organ transplants from 1967 to 1980, Jehovah changed his mind about whether this was cannibalism and decided it was OK after all. So those who died before 1980 or lost their vision needing a cornea transplant at least obeyed Jehovah’s instructions at the time.

Unfortunately Jehovah didn’t understand in 1980 that billions of white blood cells are passed from donor to recipient with every major organ transplant, so there may be direction from Jehovah to return to the old light ban.

The lesson here is always put your trust in the Faithful Slave in Warwick New York for your health and salvation.

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Claim and Counter-claim

by Vanderhoven7 in

claim: sincec2017 jehovah's witnesses have sold 2 billion dollars worth of kingdom halls in the united states alone, yet on a recent broadcast they said they needed so many kingdom halls to be built.

counter-claim: jehovah’s witnesses sold their world headquarters in nyc and built a new one in a different location.

even if your claim is accurate that would skew the accuracy of your numbers.

Vanderhoven7

CLAIM: Sincec2017 Jehovah's Witnesses have sold 2 Billion dollars worth of Kingdom Halls in the United States alone, yet on a recent broadcast they said they needed so many Kingdom Halls to be built. What's going on here?

COUNTER-CLAIM: Jehovah’s Witnesses sold their World Headquarters in NYC and built a new one in a different location. Even IF YOUR CLAIM is accurate that would skew the accuracy of your numbers. The expenses of building new facilities would account for much of that. Again, IF YOUR CLAIM is accurate.

You are attempting to instill doubt about God’s organization. Do you know what bible accounts your question reminds me of? Satan’s trying to instill doubt against God and his organization. Not a flattering parallel. Please read and consider Acts 5:38,39.

Please actually read your bible! Reading it in modern English, instead of an antiquated language that no one really speaks or understands would be best. But your life your choice. Romans 14:12.

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Jerusalem will be trampled by the nations until the Gentile Times are Fulfilled. — Luke 21:24

by Fisherman in

jerusalem will be trampled by the nations until the gentile times are fulfilled.

— luke 21:24 .

the bible book of luke records jesus prophecy of the last day with his parousia including the verse about the gentile times.

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@Jeffro

Amen💡

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The UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES of ISOLATION

by Terry in

jw
friends

unintended consequences of isolationhowdy and good morning boss!.

please excuse my flamboyant greeting.

i’m only following orders.

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How to stop 90% of Watchtower criticism!

Charlie Ryde writes

If you follow this one suggestion virtually all exJWs will suddenly stop speaking out against the Watchtower and the Governing Body.

Are you ready? It’s really simple and it’s guaranteed to work, no need to bulk up on “anti-JW refutations”.

Okay, here goes:

Stop shunning your family members and treating them like disposable garbage.

It’s really that simple. We don’t care what you do with your own life. We care that you are permanently scarring innocent children just because they grew up believing differently.

You have one guaranteed life, it’s not just a placeholder for a promised hope. Use it wisely.

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Staying in physically for all the benefits

by Indoubtbigtime in

i wonder how many are like me staying pimo for the great association and gathering etc.

also find it very interesting having a front row seat watching the collapse of borg.. im not wasting any more time or money on anything i don’t want to do like preaching and mostly just go on zoom .

there is nothing i want to do that would be considered disfellowshiping sin, i’m married and want to live by bible principles but i have serious doubts that the gb were chosen by god and are his one and only spokesmen on earth.

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Here is someone who left because there were no benefits, only costs.

Graeme Hammond, after 22 years as a Witness, writes:

For some years I’d had a growing irritation and disillusionment with the religion: I was getting tired of the pompousness, the arrogance and the control, I felt increasingly choked by their restrictions and I was drained by their demands on my time. I was frustrated by their blinkered vision and sick of everyone being treated as a child. The meetings and conventions were tedious and repetitive and the level of judgmentalism and gossip was sickening. We were all being watched.

I was already missing meetings and making a pretence of field service. Even when I met people at their doors, I had no desire to try to persuade them to join because I felt it was unfair to entice them into such a constricted life that I hated.

In the end it was “Crisis of Conscience”, the tell-all book by former Governing Body member Ray Franz about his life in — and exit from — the Witnesses, that made me realise I could just walk away. After just two or three chapters I became starkly aware that the religion was in so many ways fraudulent, with no more claim to being “God’s organisation” than any other religion.

As each chapter unfolded, it became painfully obvious that I had been defrauded and manipulated for the entire time I had spent in the religion. Franz’s book showed plainly that it was a totally man-made, man-run organisation seized with an oversized sense of self-importance and a mean streak of vindictiveness.

Once I read that book — and followed it up with books by Jim Penton, Robert Crompton, Tony Wills and others — the more I learned about the religion I’d given so much of my life to. There was no Armageddon, no “faithful slave”, no mathematical formulation of the “last days”, no hotline to God. And no reason for me to ever set foot again inside a Kingdom Hall.

I never regretted leaving: walking away from it made me realise that I was reclaiming my life. Yet in a sense I did “look back”. The sense of anger and humiliation about the deception and control is not something you can easily dismiss. It burned me up for a long time, but today those emotions are a distant past.

I was a cult member, but I escaped. And I survived.

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Are Both The JW And The Ex-JW Community a Cult?

by Vanderhoven7 in

charlie ryde writes:.

let us use the same bite model for determining if something is a cult to both being a jw and being ex-jw.

mind you this is a short summary.. b- behavioral control.

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This message certainly sounds like a cult according to Charlie Ryde who writes:

Join us! Or DIE!!!!!!

In a world where 8 billion people live in various states of confusion, power, hopelessness, there stands one tiny faction that promises to supersede them all!

Join the Jehovahs Witnesses, abandon your love for the Great Harlot and her beast!

The Jehovahs Witnesses are the only true Christians, every other Christian is an idolatrous sinner! Join us, sit in our den of peace, the Kingdom Hall, and give your life to our ministry!

One day soon, Jehovah will wipe out 8 billion of the worlds infants, women, children and men! But not us! We are the only people with the super secret knowledge and the wisdom to be Gods Chosen People! How lucky we are to be better than you in every way you mentally diseased, grossly sinning fools!

Once Jehovah wipes out all non-Jehovahs Witnesses, we will get to be perfect so the stench and labor of burying 8 billion corpses will seem like nothing to us! A perfect man fears no shovel!