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  2024 Annual Meeting Doctrinal Change

  by Listener in

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  a change to their doctrine came from jackson.

  this isn't a transcript of his whole speech but i thought i would try and get some of his main speech in writing.. at around 1hr26 minutes he starts talking about some dangerous thinking in feeling there is some wiggle room in regards to the schedule for the gt.

  but you see, we need to be careful about what we are thinking about the number of anointed ones left on earth.

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  The Dangers of Independent Thinking

  by daystar in

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  "the dangers of independent thinking".

  reading mary's thread regarding the july 15th wt, i began to really consider what the wbts' problem is with "independent thinking".. what exactly is "independent thinking" and what about its opposite, "dependent thinking"?

  i think the following excerpt from an article here does a good job of defining them.

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  Dawana writes:

  Because independent thinking means that you're not following blindly to what the governing body tells you to think. They don't want you questioning what they tell you, and they don't want you talking to others and putting questions in other people's heads.

  

  
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  How Do JWs Understand Salvation & What Is Needed to Obtain It?

  by LauraLynn in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  from my experience within the jw organization, i understood that salvation meant a person accepted the teachings of the wbts without question as the "faithful and discrete slave," thereby placing their trust in them, not jesus christ.

  salvation consisted of being found "righteous" by jehovah and resurrected to everlasting life in an earthly paradise.

  to obtain this salvation, one needed to obey the organization's teachings, remain a faithful jw, and lead a moral life.

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  L. P writes according to Jehovah’s Witnesses...

  " If you've been exceptionally naughty like spoken against the Holy Spirit than, there's no Paradise Earth for you. Rapists, serial killers, murderous dictators, child molesters, terrorists, kidnappers, Nazis that took part in Holocaust etc may all possibly get a resurrection" along with the relatively righteous other sheep.
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  How Do JWs Understand Salvation & What Is Needed to Obtain It?

  by LauraLynn in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  from my experience within the jw organization, i understood that salvation meant a person accepted the teachings of the wbts without question as the "faithful and discrete slave," thereby placing their trust in them, not jesus christ.

  salvation consisted of being found "righteous" by jehovah and resurrected to everlasting life in an earthly paradise.

  to obtain this salvation, one needed to obey the organization's teachings, remain a faithful jw, and lead a moral life.

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  My take, despite the GB "we don't know"PR , JWs believe that only faithful Jehovah's Witnesses will survive Armageddon.
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  How Do JWs Understand Salvation & What Is Needed to Obtain It?

  by LauraLynn in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  from my experience within the jw organization, i understood that salvation meant a person accepted the teachings of the wbts without question as the "faithful and discrete slave," thereby placing their trust in them, not jesus christ.

  salvation consisted of being found "righteous" by jehovah and resurrected to everlasting life in an earthly paradise.

  to obtain this salvation, one needed to obey the organization's teachings, remain a faithful jw, and lead a moral life.

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  Mark writes:

  Throughout their history, Jehovah's Witnesses have consistently taught that “wicked” people will not get a resurrection.

  Adam and Eve and Judas are definitely excluded, because they are said to have committed the unforgivable sin.....

  David Splane explained in 2023 that in the past, they stated that there's no hope of a resurrection for those who died in the flood or those destroyed in Sodom and Gomorrah.

  They spent decades flip-flopping, but now it seems they just don't know. Presumably that means just about everyone may have a chance.

  But obey the Governing Body, and you won't have any doubts, Paradise earth is almost guaranteed!!
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  How Do JWs Understand Salvation & What Is Needed to Obtain It?

  by LauraLynn in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  from my experience within the jw organization, i understood that salvation meant a person accepted the teachings of the wbts without question as the "faithful and discrete slave," thereby placing their trust in them, not jesus christ.

  salvation consisted of being found "righteous" by jehovah and resurrected to everlasting life in an earthly paradise.

  to obtain this salvation, one needed to obey the organization's teachings, remain a faithful jw, and lead a moral life.

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  Actually not everyone gets a resurrection according to Jehovah’s Witnesses. Those who have sinned against holy spirit are not in their memorial tombs. This includes Adam and Eve.

  In addition, those unrepentant who are destroyed at Armageddon are toast as well. Among these would be those disfellowshipped (removed) for apostasy.

  
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  How Do JWs Understand Salvation & What Is Needed to Obtain It?

  by LauraLynn in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  from my experience within the jw organization, i understood that salvation meant a person accepted the teachings of the wbts without question as the "faithful and discrete slave," thereby placing their trust in them, not jesus christ.

  salvation consisted of being found "righteous" by jehovah and resurrected to everlasting life in an earthly paradise.

  to obtain this salvation, one needed to obey the organization's teachings, remain a faithful jw, and lead a moral life.

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  Just about everyone, excluding the very wicked, is coming back for a millennial tryout for eternal life. This might even include many who died in the flood and in Sodom.

  The idea is that those who died have paid for their sins and because of Jesus ransom sacrifice, they have a right to be resurrected without punishment.

  Those who will not be resurrected for a crack at life will include those who rejected the life-saving message of Jehovah’s Witnesses advertised since 1919.

  Translation...better to have died without ever hearing from the Watchtower organization. Once the tribulation starts, you might still be able to repent and believe the message. So if they had not preached their message, more would be resurrected. Interestingly, those who died before the GT did not have to repent. Those who are alive after the GT starts will have to repent or be eternally destroyed.

  All very logical
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  Beliefs clarified - A big fat WTF for 2025

  by ukpimo in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  jehovah’s witnesses have an official page for clarified beliefs they encourage elders, ministerial servants, regular pioneers, as well as all the rest of the elite, to keep up to date with:.

  https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200277174.

  2025 has a curious clarification:.

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  Beliefs Clarified:

  Matthew 24:34, "This generation shall not pass away, till all these things be accomplished."

  Robert Ohl writes:

  Witnesses only have one choice as to .what it means, which is. These overlapping generations shall not pass away, There's nothing complicated about it. They are not allowed to question the meaning because it's been settled. "The lives of the anointed ones who were on hand when the sign began to be evident in 1914 would overlap with the lives of the other anointed ones who would see the start of the great tribulation."

  
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  GB Update - Meet the new GB members

  by eyeslice in

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  2. friends

  i overheard my wife listening to '2023 governing body update #2, presented by kenneth cook jnr.

  a few points i got from it.. new hour requirements.

  quote "with the new hour requirements for pioneers, many us us can share in the pioneer work.

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  Here is a cool picture of the only men on earth who understand the Bible and the only ones God has mandated as his spokesman.

  Anyone not obeying these men is regarded as a false Christian.

  
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  What's Wrong with the Watchtower?

  by Vanderhoven7 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  not sure who wrote this list a while back but i think it is worth a repeat....to be added to or subtracted from or modified...whatever.. what's wrong with the watchtower.

  "overlapping generations" - this teaching makes no sense.

  the word used by jesus is in the singular, not plural form.. .

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