Posts by Alfred

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"After all, we modern-day JWs are continuing the work from the 1st Century C.E."

by miseryloveselders in

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for those of you not in the know(lucky sobs you!!

), the congregation bible study wrapped up the come be my follower book last week.

we're now into the bearing thorough witness publication.

Alfred

You forgot Freddy's favorite: "No question about it..."

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June 15th WT, Trap Your Kids in the Cult

by LostGeneration in

the new wt is up.

the worst article is the first one, a non-study article.

shows pictures of a kid, looks like he is 10 years old.

I think we all know the reason behind this: The WT leadership have no other choice but to trap the kids from the current cult members... that will be their NEW focus while they regroup... its obviously getting tougher for them to find new recruits in field service since people are a lot better informed than they were just 10 years ago... Facebook and the internet are changing everything...

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So much for being Christian

by MrFreeze in

so, i found out a friend of mines cousin overdosed on drugs the other.

its absolutely awful.

i got a text from my mom this morning that said her friend who lives across the street from them said they had an overdose across the street.

Alfred

I really don't care for people who are too judgemental or think too highly of themselves in the "spiritual" sense. However, as much as some JWs try not to be judgemental, it is really impossible for them not to be since they are constantly reminded by the WT that they're a part of a small group chosen by God to his work. Also, they're constatntly bombarded by WT literature that trashes other religions and other lifestyles so they actually become mentally conditioned over time... not all JWs of course (some JWs are just naturally judgemental)

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Is it Really a Worldwide Work???

by jakeyen in

from 2010 service year.

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Alfred

One of the last Public Talks I heard before finally waking up last year was about the proximity of Armageddon relative to the completion of the "worldwide work". The elder giving this talk kept stressing how close we were to the end and mentioned that we should not be overly concerned about countries with few JWs covering densly populated areas (like Bangladesh) because we now have the internet which is a tool we can use to reach the remaining people who deserve to discover "the Truth"... He was adamant about the fact that everyone on earth would eventually be witnessed to one way or the other so that no one would have any excuse when Armageddon finally arrived. I immediately imagined a poor 90-year old widow living in a shack in the middle of the woods where there are no roads, internet or electricity... that was when I turned to wife in the middle of the talk and said: "I'm leaving"... she begged me not to make a scene and I stayed. Afterwards we went to about 3 or 4 more meetings and then mutually decided never to return...

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I Do Believe in Armageddon!

by Was New Boy in

not the same one that the jehovah witnesses believe in.

none the less major earth changes leading up to 2012.. events where 80%+ of the earth's population is going away!.

i was asked just "what have i been doing the last 2 years.

Alfred

2012 can't be right... the WT is planning a big event on October 2, 2014 (to celebrate the 100-year anniversary of Christ's reign).

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Greed & Blood Transfusions

by Alfred in

if this doesn't make you angry, nothing will.... you say that "at a blood transfusion the person receiving the blood is in great need of it; the transfusion is not undertaken because he is greedy for it".

for when a doctor tells a patient that he must have a blood transfusion or else he cannot get well and live, what does the doctor create in the patient but a greed for the blood of another human creature?

-watchtower may 15, 1950 page 159. so, according to the wt, people who accept blood transfusions (because they want to live and be there for their children) are greedy!

Alfred

If this doesn't make you angry, nothing will...

You say that "at a blood transfusion the person receiving the blood is in great need of it; the transfusion is not undertaken because he is greedy for it". How can you say this? For when a doctor tells a patient that he must have a blood transfusion or else he cannot get well and live, what does the doctor create in the patient but a greed for the blood of another human creature? -Watchtower May 15, 1950 page 159

So, according to the WT, people who accept blood transfusions (because they want to live and be there for their children) are greedy! WTF!!!

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Yay! Finally 2 Jdubs at my door.

by cyberjesus in

so i was posting on the forum and 2 neatly dressed jws came.

they didnt know who i was so i opened the door.... .

they started with their regular fear inspiring statements that god will destroy the "world", so i asked if he was gonna destroy me..... and thats where the fun started.

Alfred

If they're your typical Jay Dubs, they probably ran back to their group conductor afterwards (at the donut shop) to brag about this wonderful experience and how Jehovah helped them find the appropriate Biblical texts to convince an atheist that the Bible was written by God... after which the group conductor will probably have them comment on this "experience" at the next service meeting... They'll say something like: "thanks to the holy spirit we were able to defend Jehovah's inspired Word" or some other dub-speak...

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Dates of Prophetic Significance (WT Index)

by pirata in

i was suprised to see a heading "dates of prophetic significance" in the 1986-2010 watchtower index, and even more suprised at the content.

1919: w85 2/1 17-18; w85 10/15 11; w82 7/1 18-25; w78 6/1 23; go 137; w76 157, 187-188, 663; hs 146; sl 127, 134, 164, 190; w71 239; kj 53, 207-208, 300-301, 311, 317-318, 320, 323, 325, 342, 346-347, 354, 380-381; w67 244, 246, 594; w66 311, 689-691; w65 494; w64 78-79, 81, 83-84, 109-111, 278, 416, 555; w63 202, 701; bf 500, 504-505, 558; mg63 18; w62 139, 204; w61 146, 148, 166, 717-718; g61 8/22 28; w60 250-251, 463, 754; w59 352, 383, 631; w58 58, 464, 590; pa 215; yw 211, 334-335; w57 602-603; w55 267-268; sr55 136, 140; w53 568, 634; nh 223, 322-323; w52 252; w51 208-209, 433, 723; w48 311; w46 217, 235; w44 11, 232-234; w43 247; w42 170; w40 102, 223, 357; w39 39, 56; s 205-207; w37 52, 125-126; w36 362; ch 67; w35 264, 297; w34 229; w33 216, 340; v-2 287; w31 36, 310; lt-1-30 249-250.

1938: w85 3/1 18; yb75 247; w71 724; w60 733; w59 632; yw 217-218; w51 724-729; w43 5; w38 179-183, 186-187.

Alfred

It’s interesting how the WT “humbly admits” their lies errors in something as tucked away as an Index (which they know that very few JWs will pay any attention to anyway) but then they’ll blatantly lie or whitewash their history in a high-budget video production such as the DVD distributed at the last District Assembly (Faith In Action).

For example, the index refers to 1874 as the year once held to be the start of Christ’s presence. Yet the DVD paints a different picture when the narrator (referring to an Article that Russell wrote in 1876 about the end of the Gentile Times) makes the following statement:

“What would happen at the end of those years? They (the Bible Students prior to 1914) reasoned that since Jesus is the only one qualified to assume the throne of David, then Christ himself would begin ruling in 1914.”

This is completely F A L S E… The Bible Students didn’t reason anything! They were taught (as the tucked-away index mentions) that he assumed the throne in 1874 and it wasn’t until the late 1920’s that Rutherford changed this to 1914.

But the DVD (Faith In Action) subtly squeezes in this false information again, right after GB member David Splane makes this absurd assertion:

“This is not a work of man. This is a work of Jehovah God. It’s evident that Jehovah had already chosen this organization because of the faithfulness and the sincerity of the men who were behind it.” (excuse me while a barf for a second)

Then the “anonymous” narrator continues:

“Rather than giving in to the disappointment over what did not happen in 1914, the Bible Students kept their minds open to the significance of what had taken place. The world war and its aftermath had become the world shaking events proclaimed by Russell almost 40 years earlier. The Bible Students were coming to the realization that Christ’s presence began in 1914 and that the last days were underway.”

False, false, and false…

1. The Bible Students didn’t keep their minds open to anything… they weren’t allowed to

2. The Bible Students didn’t come to any realization regarding Christ’s presence, they just went along with whatever “present truth” was shoved down their throats… in this case, they were told that Jesus presence began in 1874.

3. And they certainly didn’t come to any realization regarding the last days as they were taught that these started in 1799.

My point is… the WT will occasionally “come clean” about their past by cleverly tucking away truthful information in rarely-referred-to printed info (such as an index or the rarely-read Proclaimers book). In doing so, they can always say “You see, we DID admit we were wrong”. But where they would stand to get the most exposure (in a DVD, for example) they will use verbal gymnastics to whitewash or even blatantly lie about their past and what they in fact predicted. Unfortunately, the rank-and-file are totally oblivious to this and the WT uses this to their advantage…

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JWs pronounce the popular version of Gods name

by Alfred in

growing up jw, the elders in my congo never wasted an opportunity to remind the youth in my congo that we should always endeavor to do what is correct in gods eyes, not what the world considers to be popular.

this would cover just about every subject (clothing, music, sports, entertainment, etc.)..

however, when it comes to the one thing that should probably matter the most to all jay dubs (correctly pronouncing gods name), popularity takes precedence over correctness.

Alfred

Growing up JW, the elders in my congo never wasted an opportunity to remind the youth in my congo that we should always endeavor to do what is “correct” in God’s eyes, NOT what the world considers to be “popular”. This would cover just about every subject (clothing, music, sports, entertainment, etc.).

However, when it comes to the one thing that should probably matter the most to all Jay Dubs (correctly pronouncing God’s name), “popularity” takes precedence over “correctness”. This never made any sense to me.

Notice what Freddy Franz wrote about this in the Watchtower December 1, 1950 page 474:

“[…] the translating Committee says: “While inclining to view the pronunciation “Yah-weh” as the more correct way, we have retained the form ‘Jehovah’ because of people’s familiarity with it since the 14 th century.”

Just 7 years later, he wrote the following in the Watchtower April 15, 1957 page 230:

“Some scholars prefer to pronounce the name Jah’veh or Jah’weh, but today Jehovah is the most popular way of pronouncing the name.”

So much for doing things correctly…

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"No looting" -- reports from Japan. What, only JW's remain?

by FatFreek 2005 in

check it out with your favorite search tool.

japan and looting.

you will see report after report with the same theme -- virtually little to no looting.. now note this, from wiki: about 70 percent of japanese profess no religious membership,according to johnstone (1993:323), 84% of the japanese claim no personal religion.. is it possible that a country that is so devoid of religion to have such a high degree of respect for the belongings of their fellow citizens?.

Alfred

You'll probably never see Japanese JWs elbowing each other to get the best seats at a District Assembly the way JWs do in the Western Hemisphere. So I wouldn't expect the "wordly" Japanese to do as much looting as you'd see in the States...