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  My brother died tonight

  by poppers in

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  just got word that my youngest brother died of pancreatic cancer.

  he was diagnosed in early august.

  this has been really tough for me and my family..

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  drewcoul

  Sorry for your loss. I pray for God's strength and comfort for you and your family.
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  My Dad Said He Loved Me

  by cognac in

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  he's said it before, but, it was different this time.

  his dad just died and i know there are parts about me that are the exact replica of him and grandpa.

  him and gramp had a falling out cause of the jw religion.. anyways, i had the funny feeling that my dad has been looking at things differently lately, but, i know he won't say much cause he's in way too deep at this point.. he came up to me the other night, and said he really loved me.

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  drewcoul

  Happy for you!!!
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  Flirting with going Vegetarian, anyone of you ever graduate from simply thinking about it?

  by Theocratic Sedition in

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  it's just a thought right now, but one of those thoughts where i have that itch.

  it's that same itch felt before i purchase something major.

  i'm just wondering what i might be getting into based upon others experiences in this regard.

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  drewcoul

  I could be vegetarian in the summer for a day or two at a time if it consisted of home grown tomatoes, corn on the cob, and pan fried green beans. besides that, I couldn't do it. Vegetarian diets make me eat more 'cause i get hungry more often.

  Anyway, an ex GF of mine was pesco vegetarian, so she would occasionally eat fish. she loved the diet and she stayed healthy.

  I could never give up steak, hamburgers, fried chicken, or my favorite: bacon. I guess now that i don't have to worry about surviving Armageddon, I'll never be forced to be a vegetarian.
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  Video proof that the Governing Body was appointed FDS direcly by Jehovah

  by Badfish in

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  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ued0olrd54.

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  drewcoul

  I don't often laugh at irreverence toward God, but I don't think this was. Hilarious!!
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  can't make this up

  by pontoon in

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  so this 70 something yr old brother, ex bethelite, ex spec pioneer, current pioneer with over 50 yrs of full time service is lamenting he might have to step down as an elder because he is computer ignorant.

  i guess the org uses the internet to communicate with elders and having internet access is required of elders.

  anyway he's going to dunkin donuts with his wife and he sees free wifi.

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  drewcoul

  TS: "The same dog that bit them is gonna bite me someday too"

  LOL! I have thought the same things but haven't heard it put that way before.
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  Oompa, I'm sorry...

  by Mr. Falcon in

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  oompa,.

  i'm sorry that you had to endure the pain you did.

  regardless if you believe in god or not, what you were going through was sheer hell.. i'll keep this short, i won't eulogize you too long, 'cause i can kind of detect that you'd hate that.

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  drewcoul

  Mr Falcon,

  Well said, my friend.

  I am drinking to it as well. I wish I could have known him beyond his posts which were almost always a perfect balance of charm, wit, humor, and just enough pain to make it relatable to me.

  Here's to Oompa!
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  The apostles in Jerusalem were NOT the governing body and did NOT direct all the work.....

  by EndofMysteries in

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  2. scandals

  here is exposing the big lie on a governing body in early christian times.

  the wt use act 15:1-30 to support that paul himself went to a governing body in jerusalem and after they agreed on the circumsion issue, they give pual an assignment, showing they were controlling everything.

  and if you only read acts 15:1-30 you might come to that conclusion as well.

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  Here's what Fred Franz said in 1975. I couldn't have said it better myself. Thanks to gwest59.tripod.com a more complete transcript is available here:

  Then something happened right after that. And, eh, the Lord Jesus Christ took action. And he took direct action without consulting any man or body of men on earth. And that's when He, the Head of the Congregation, met Saul of Tarsus, the persecutor there, on the road leading to Damascus. He stopped him! And he said , 'Now, this is a chosen vessel unto me. I'm choosing him as the Head of the Church, without consulting any people on earth.' And he chose Saul to be an evangelizer, to carry the message not only to the Jews but also to all the gentile nations.

  Well, what about Jerusalem and the body down there? Later on the account tells us that Barnabas took Paul, or Saul of Tarsus, down to Jerusalem. But they were all afraid of him! And Saul of Tarsus, or Paul, tells us that when he went up there to Jerusalem he saw none of the apostles except Peter, with whom he spent fifteen days, and also, uh, the apostle James. [Nota bene: this is an error, as Galatians 1:18, 19 indicates it was "James the brother of the Lord," not the apostle James.] Those are the only two. And then he went back to Tarsus, and, uh, he continued on his way. Later on, why, Barnabas was sent down there to Antioch, and he hunted up Saul, brought him there, and, uh, they talked in Antioch for quite a while. Paul became a member of the Antioch congregation. And he was one of the prophets there in that congregation, specially mentioned. And then, all of a sudden, as he was serving there, uh, in Antioch, in Syria not in Israel, but in Syria why, God's spirit spoke to that congregation there in Antioch and said, 'Now, of all things you set aside, you, this congregation in Antioch, YOU set aside these two men, namely, Barnabas and Saul, for the work for which I have commissioned them.' And so the Antioch congregation did that! And they laid their hands upon Paul, or Saul, and Barnabas and sent them forth as a number of translations read 'sent them forth.' And then they went forth by the holy spirit operating through the Antioch congregation, and they went out on their first missionary assignment.

  So you see, the Lord Jesus Christ was acting as Head of the congregation and taking action directly, without consulting anybody here on earth what he could do or what he could NOT do. And he acted in that way with regard to, to Saul and Barnabas. And they were both apostles of the Antioch congregation. And so they went out on the work and had great success, and in course of time they completed their first missionary tour, and where did they go where did they report? Well, there's a record, you read it for yourself in the closing verses of the fourteenth chapter of Acts: THEY WENT BACK TO ANTIOCH, TO THE CONGREGATION THERE, and the account says they related things in detail to them, to this congregation that had committed them to the undeserved kindness of God for the work that they had performed. So there's where they reported. So the record also says, now they stayed in Antioch not a little time.

  Well, now, what happened? All of a sudden something, eh, occurs, and, uh, Paul and Barnabas, they go up to Jerusalem. Well, what's the matter? What brings them up to Jerusalem? Well, is it, uh, the body of apostles and of other elders of the Jerusalem congregation that have summoned them up there and said, 'Looka here. We have heard that you two men have gone out on a missionary tour and you finished it, and you haven't come up here to Jerusalem to report to us. DO YOU KNOW WHO WE ARE? We're the Counsel of Jerusalem! Do you two recognize the headship of the Lord Jesus Christ? If you don't come on up here in a hurry, we're going to take disciplinary action against you.' Is that what the account says? Well, if they had acted that way toward Paul and Barnabas, because they reported to the congregation, uh, by means of which the holy spirit had sent them out, then this Counsel of Jerusalem, of apostles and of other elders of the Jewish congregation would have put themselves ABOVE the headship of the Lord Jesus Christ.

  But that isn't what occurred. You know what happened, how Jews came down from Jerusalem and stirred up the matter of circumcision, and, eh, it troubled the congregation there in Antioch so much that the ANTIOCH congregation sent Paul and Barnabas UP TO JERUSALEM, to have the Counsel settle the issue. And, of course, being sent by the Couns by the congregation at Antioch, they had to come back and report and advise the congregation of the settlement of the question, or the decision that was made by the Counsel there at Jerusalem. And THEN it was, when they were arguing in favor of Christians from the gentiles not having to be circumcised like Jews it was THEN that Paul and Barnabas told what God had done by means of them in the gentile world. And THEN it was that the counsel got the report. Then they went back to Antico...och,, which had sent them forth to make known the decision, and the Jewish, then, eh, Counsel , why, sent along two men, Judas and Silas, with them. And so they delivered the report from the Counsel and, eh, there was great rejoicing among the gentile believers.

  Now time passes, and Paul and Barnabas are at Antioch. And what occurs now? Well, did they receive an assignment from somewhere on their next move? The account says that, eh, the two men, Paul and Barnabas, Paul says to him, he says, 'Of all things let us go and visit the congregations that we have established.' And, eh, they were agreed on, on this matter. And then, eh, the matter of, uh, accompaniment came up-who was gonna go with them? And, eh, Barnabas was in favor of Mark John Mark. But, eh, Paul didn't want him, because he had left them in Pamphylia in Asia Minor and had not gone along with them to the finish of the first missionary tour. So Paul didn't have any confidence, eh, in Mark for the time being. And they had a great altercation, as you know. And it resulted in a split! And Barnabas took along Mark, and it proved to be a good choice, because afterwards Paul appreciated now the faithfulness of Mark and said, 'He's a useful servant even to me.'

  But what about Paul? Well, he chose Silas, or Silvanus, as his companion in his missionary tour. And here's one thing we must note again now this happened up in Antioch. Toward the close of the fifteenth chapter of Acts it says that after Paul and Barnabas had been commended by the brothers of the Antioch congregation to the undeserved kindness of God, that they went forth on the second missionary tour of the apostle Paul. So again the Antioch congregation is being used to send out missionaries.

  And so, as we examine this account of these two most outstanding among the missionaries, uh, recorded, in, uh, Bible history, we find that they were sent out especially by the Lord Jesus Christ, the Head of the Church a fact which the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society has upheld and accepted ever since the Society was formed. So we see how the Lord Jesus Christ as the Head of the Church has a right to act direct, without other organizations in view, no matter WHO we are. He's the Head of the Church, and we can't challenge what HE does."
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  With the "New Light" concerning the GB, How would JW's respond to this question?

  by drewcoul in

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  2. beliefs

  i wonder if the wt or jw's in general would consider paul to be a member of the "faithful and discreet slave.

  he wrote a good deal of the christian greek scriptures.

  surely he would be considered one who was "dispensing food at the proper time" would he not?.

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  OH, I just thought of something else.......The WTBTS claims that the FDS has been on earth since the 1st century. However, the GB has only been around since about 1970 (I'm not sure of the date). Therefore, who was the GB before then?
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  With the "New Light" concerning the GB, How would JW's respond to this question?

  by drewcoul in

  1. watchtower
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  i wonder if the wt or jw's in general would consider paul to be a member of the "faithful and discreet slave.

  he wrote a good deal of the christian greek scriptures.

  surely he would be considered one who was "dispensing food at the proper time" would he not?.

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  drewcoul

  I wonder if the WT or JW's in general would consider Paul to be a member of the "Faithful and Discreet Slave."

  He wrote a good deal of the Christian Greek Scriptures. Surely he would be considered one who was "Dispensing food at the proper time" would he not?

  However, he was clearly NOT a member of the GB, as the WT claims there was a GB in Jerusalem. Therefore, was Paul a member of the FDS? If not, why did he write so much of the Bible?

  Just one of my thoughts on this new understanding. I would love to ask a JW this when they hear of the new understanding!
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  "Melchizedek" might mean, "My king is Jupiter" or "my God is Jupiter"...

  by EndofMysteries in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i just recently learned that in hebrew, zedek also means jupiter.

  when did this happen is unknown.

  and possibibly that the planet jupiter was responsible for some catastrophes and things happening on earth during that time.

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  drewcoul

  jupiter: jah (god) (also: zeus) + petar (father)

  I don't remember where i got the etymological research from, but

  learning this made me open my eyes to the common origins of religious

  traditions from ancient times through Christianity. I believe in God, I just understand

  he has presented himself throughout history in different ways.