Posts by elderINewton

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WT Financial strategy to reduce liability - Create artificial debt!!!!!!

by Viva la Vida in

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see this letter from the royal commission: .

letter from watchtower australia to governing body regarding transfer of funds between branches.

http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/downloadfile.ashx?guid=61967dc3-2203-4cca-8dc7-cd612c66645e&type=exhibit&filename=wat.0012.001.0023&fileextension=pdf.

elderINewton

This document if real would destroy the status of charity in the US or Canada. Willful avoidance is not acceptable under most tax law. I wonder if this was ok'd by the Australia tax authorities?

Also the title is misleading, its to reduce assets not increase liabilities. The document is really just an accounting term, so the Aussie branch is sending funds to other places by way of loans (or interbranch indebtedness) but they need to classify them as donations to minimize financial exposure.

In the US we would call this a tax loophole or tax haven avoidance.

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Elder Exposed as a LIAR at the Australian Royal Commission

by The Searcher in

the lawyer at the australian royal commission (arc) hangs the elder out to dry on his own statements!.

wonderful to see the org's little dictators being subjected to their very own personal judicial committee hearing - but in front of millions, and not in secret!.

from 43 minutes onward.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xv8ptogc6k0#t=2607.

elderINewton

its going to be interesting to hear what the branch reps say on the stand. I can easily say the only recourse for them at this stage is to let the elders hang and say they were the problem not following direction. His lies will be the perfect cover.

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Governing Body, painted in a corner, now what?

by Wasanelder Once in

the governing body have painted themselves in a corner, so to speak.

if they acknowledge their response to abuse claims was insensitive, unloving and inadequate they are denying the belief that "god's way" is best and risk losing abuse cases.

if they stick with it and say it is "god's way according to the bible" they will be seen as cult leaders and risk losing abuse cases.

elderINewton

If they admit in any way that they did something improper they open themselves to lawsuits. They likely need to hold fast and make minor tweaks.

I can't help but wonder if its time for them to maneuver the assets to other legal corporations to limit lawsuit exposure.

So AMIII still proud of our record on child abuse?

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Some Watchtower growth projection numbers (5 scenarios)

by Saintbertholdt in

i've been doing some watchtower membership growth projections.

the best, worst and most lightly future scenarios.

i've used the worlds population as a barometer of future watchtower growth.

elderINewton

As a couple of others have stated the demographics are the key missing pieces to this analysis.

If you take America, Canada, France, Germany, England, and Italy with its close to 2 million publishers, its probably safe to assume that 50% is greater than 60 years of age. So the average death rate is likely to increase over the world averages quickly. Its actually one of the reasons I suspect the cash grabs is now while people are "younger."

With that in mind and the meager increases, the death rate is likely to overtake the growth of 2ish % they are seeing. I suspect we are only 3-5 years from a normal -1% decrease.

A few years ago I would have thought differently due to growth in developing countries, but that stagnated slightly so, I'm back to the -1ish guess in the 3-5.

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Rejecting something due to unscriptural or pagan origins.....?

by stuckinarut2 in

so witnesses reject many practices or holidays due to their "unscriptural or pagan" origins.. for example, birthday celebrations, mothers or father's day, christmas etc..... most people in the world will say "but the origin doesn't matter anymore, we follow this custom now because it's a joyful occasion that creates happy times and brings the family together".

it is still firmly rejected.. so, if the wrong origin is so important, and should result in rejecting something, why isn't the same principle applied to the actual jehovah's witness faith itself!?.

after all, the very foundation of the organisation was based on wrong understandings of the bible, far fetched teachings and doctrines, links to false religious backgrounds, pyramidology, false predictions, inaccurate beliefs etc...... using their reasoning, it doesn't matter how good something is now, if the origin was faulty to begin with?

elderINewton

Time for the necktie's to revolt due to the pagan origin of being worn by Roman soldiers. I thought I was no part of this world?

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Is Watchtower imploding? 10 reasons why the end could be nigh

by WildeLover in

http://jwsurvey.org/cedars-blog/is-watchtower-imploding-10-reasons-why-the-end-could-be-nigh.

i dont know how to hyperlink the link above,.

it's a link to an article by cedars on the possibility of the wt imploding?.

elderINewton

2 days ago

All CO's and retired DO's, along with all special servants that retire in the service are paid a monthly stipend. I've seen the direct deposit slips. They get a small living allowance (rent) and funds for food etc..

The program I'm told (I only know of Canada and the US) is that they these "special people" work directly with the branch to budget and indicate how much funds are needed on a monthly basis. In Canada they have a system of Old Age Security that provides funds to those of age and that is factored into the equation. The same is the case for US retired persons that qualify for the Social Security. Additionally, the branch encourages them to find suitable rent (aka cheap rent), and they go on there merry way expecting a check each month. I do know its now all direct deposit.

All in all its retirement plan for those still very loyal to the order. They just don't call it that.

Yes your donations are needed to fund a great building work of retirees.

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Canadian Convention 2015: English & French

by wifibandit in

elderinewton and wifibandit bring you the canadian rc 2015 in english (feat.

david splane) and french.. .

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=plrw9u-n1z2m-moyayjy4g6fjrmsvidm1v.

elderINewton

Calgary, and Quebec City. Both June 19 - 21.

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Is Watchtower imploding? 10 reasons why the end could be nigh

by WildeLover in

http://jwsurvey.org/cedars-blog/is-watchtower-imploding-10-reasons-why-the-end-could-be-nigh.

i dont know how to hyperlink the link above,.

it's a link to an article by cedars on the possibility of the wt imploding?.

elderINewton

The one main item that people seem to miss is the pension influence within the WT walls. One can't help but notice how many CO's and other full time (aka paid by WT) servants are retiring. This in turn is causing a "pension" crisis within the organization. In truth if you made me guess, its probably a growing burden that they did not plan on paying.

I could not help but notice that that organization has this new burden that is having an impact on a larger scale than most realize. But it also hides some hidden assets that very few know about, that being the various CO and older DO homes that were purchased by circuits (and the members not the org) which there is now an attempt to bring under the WT fold. These assets are in turn being used by some retired CO's and DO's effectively becoming retirement homes. Still its a financial drain.

If there is also a financial drain then then there is likely needs to further cost cut, and also bring in much younger members to bethel to ensure a good turnover so that when someone hits 30ish they can be asked to leave without a future pension cost/expense.

Demographics and spending are always tied together. The real question is how much of the millions spent each year are for these retiree costs? Just another reason that that many miss with the $$$

58

My introduction and confession

by elderINewton in

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well another big bad elder here just wanting to say sorry.. i'm sorry that so many were treated like crap, and shown that god's love is not to be found around jehovah's witnesses.

i'm sorry that inadvertently i've likely taught many to judge and as such see that racism permeates every corner of the jw world, else why else would someone be of the world, or even inactive.

i'm sorry i sat in on a jc, and voted to df.

elderINewton

tim3l0rd about 5ish years ago a letter was written to all CO's & DO's that if the child of servant or elder was to go into higher education that there qualifications were to be questioned. The letter which was orally read to all servants and elders was that if the child was still living at home, attending meeting meetings and regularly contributing in the ministry that the elder or servant would be "ok.". They provided a loophole effectively but only for higher ups.

Else, I worked for 5 years on my escape plan, and I was able to wake my wife up even though she is a born in 3rd generation. Like many we are simply moving, and taking our cards with us. Still in the same large city so we will run into people, but its an easy way to just pick up and rebuild. It will come as a shock to many when the see the for sale sign go up next week. But like any good plan it takes time and effort, at a bare minimum if I get in "trouble" I can say I waited on god to answer.

Like many my wife woke up because I taught her how to think with probing questions, and planting seeds of doubt. In some ways its easier being an elders wife as you get to see and hear more about the issues. She sees its full of demands over love, I find that the women in the halls suffer from emotional abuse due to this as well. Take a look at all the moms in the back rows on pins and needles that the kids won't act up.

My daughter has no clue that we are not coming back, its going to be a shock for her system, but its safer in the long run.

Like many I have appreciated the advice given by all of you. I do expect to get cornered by our CO and elders in our new location, but like many of you have suggested, I'll just say I'm done, burnt out, and if they press I'll mention the child abuse issue we had to go through in the prior year that disgusts me to this day. That will put the fear of god back into them, and they know it. To me, the reality is that there is no such thing as a successful escape, its just playing for the tie, or to minimize the loss.

Like my hero Isaac Newton, I'll always strive for truth and as such, I'll enjoy seeing how many I can bring with me, subtly of course.

58

My introduction and confession

by elderINewton in

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friends

well another big bad elder here just wanting to say sorry.. i'm sorry that so many were treated like crap, and shown that god's love is not to be found around jehovah's witnesses.

i'm sorry that inadvertently i've likely taught many to judge and as such see that racism permeates every corner of the jw world, else why else would someone be of the world, or even inactive.

i'm sorry i sat in on a jc, and voted to df.

elderINewton

Well another big bad elder here just wanting to say sorry.

I'm sorry that so many were treated like crap, and shown that god's love is not to be found around Jehovah's Witnesses.

I'm sorry that inadvertently I've likely taught many to judge and as such see that racism permeates every corner of the JW world, else why else would someone be of the world, or even inactive.

I'm sorry I sat in on a JC, and voted to DF. I was following a manmade textbook, and I still feel much guilt for this.

I'm sorry this organization is full of lies when it comes to protecting kids. It protects its own ass first and foremost and the legal department makes that clear. Yes I have personally seen this, and it eats at me. I have a daughter and this scares me to death the possibility of someone in the hall hurting her.

I've protected so many from the over controlling elders, and its with great sadness that I will not be able to do that anymore, but its time to protect my family and get our butts out of a high control group. So I'm sorry that I can't protect you from elder ahole, and elder ax to grind. Some elders are caring, but most just follow the book, and its sad.

I'm sorry you felt unloved by many, and were shown it as well. I only wish I could have changed things before I leave.

I wish I had the time to say sorry in so many other ways.

Well, here I am;

I've been awake longer than I've been an elder or even a servant. (I have a wife, and like many was hung up on where will we go, before I realized I asked the question incorrectly).
I'm not mentally diseased, but just think that elder up there giving the public talk knows ttatt, and about much more than most, and too is pressed with how to make an easy safe escape.
I've edited every talk to ensure that its truly gods word and not AMIII's, I've always pushed the focus to the bible rather than a watchtower.
I've never believed the blood doctrine. Never made sense to me.
My child will go for higher education - per a letter written to the elders on how to do it. (when I leave, it will be just like I did)

I love helping people, I really do, I just hate how much this borganization pushes people and traps them in a cycle that kills them emotionally and physically. So we are not all bad people, some of us really care.

I need to prepare for a meeting tonight, so maybe you might see me.

Lastly, sorry for being selfish and getting ready to leave to protect my wife and kid, but its time and I can't wreck my daughter. I love you all.