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  Branch Service Department Manual approves appointing Child molestors as Elders

  by stuckinamovement in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/downloadfile.ashx?guid=7ba22716-556c-43c2-9fc6-76697afad440&type=exhibit&filename=wat.0001.004.0076&fileextension=pdf

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  elderINewton

  wow - burn them down.

  How can anyone even one lawyer defend this?

  Thank you for posting.
  
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  WT Financial strategy to reduce liability - Create artificial debt!!!!!!

  by Viva la Vida in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  see this letter from the royal commission: .

  letter from watchtower australia to governing body regarding transfer of funds between branches.

  http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/downloadfile.ashx?guid=61967dc3-2203-4cca-8dc7-cd612c66645e&type=exhibit&filename=wat.0012.001.0023&fileextension=pdf.

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  Well terrible financial statement notes.

  Looks like the debt only increase overall by about 293,927 but notice a key line in the notes - "due to and due from domestic and overseas entities" so how much of this is really overseas? Then the real question is, are these just for one entity or is there is like 10 others in the country? Its that way in the US.

  In a way these statements look identical to the Canadian ones.
  
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  WT Financial strategy to reduce liability - Create artificial debt!!!!!!

  by Viva la Vida in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  see this letter from the royal commission: .

  letter from watchtower australia to governing body regarding transfer of funds between branches.

  http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/downloadfile.ashx?guid=61967dc3-2203-4cca-8dc7-cd612c66645e&type=exhibit&filename=wat.0012.001.0023&fileextension=pdf.

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  This document if real would destroy the status of charity in the US or Canada. Willful avoidance is not acceptable under most tax law. I wonder if this was ok'd by the Australia tax authorities?

  Also the title is misleading, its to reduce assets not increase liabilities. The document is really just an accounting term, so the Aussie branch is sending funds to other places by way of loans (or interbranch indebtedness) but they need to classify them as donations to minimize financial exposure.

  In the US we would call this a tax loophole or tax haven avoidance.
  
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  Elder Exposed as a LIAR at the Australian Royal Commission

  by The Searcher in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  the lawyer at the australian royal commission (arc) hangs the elder out to dry on his own statements!.

  wonderful to see the org's little dictators being subjected to their very own personal judicial committee hearing - but in front of millions, and not in secret!.

  from 43 minutes onward.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xv8ptogc6k0#t=2607.

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  its going to be interesting to hear what the branch reps say on the stand. I can easily say the only recourse for them at this stage is to let the elders hang and say they were the problem not following direction. His lies will be the perfect cover.
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  Governing Body, painted in a corner, now what?

  by Wasanelder Once in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  the governing body have painted themselves in a corner, so to speak.

  if they acknowledge their response to abuse claims was insensitive, unloving and inadequate they are denying the belief that "god's way" is best and risk losing abuse cases.

  if they stick with it and say it is "god's way according to the bible" they will be seen as cult leaders and risk losing abuse cases.

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  If they admit in any way that they did something improper they open themselves to lawsuits. They likely need to hold fast and make minor tweaks.

  I can't help but wonder if its time for them to maneuver the assets to other legal corporations to limit lawsuit exposure.

  So AMIII still proud of our record on child abuse?
  
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  Some Watchtower growth projection numbers (5 scenarios)

  by Saintbertholdt in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i've been doing some watchtower membership growth projections.

  the best, worst and most lightly future scenarios.

  i've used the worlds population as a barometer of future watchtower growth.

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  As a couple of others have stated the demographics are the key missing pieces to this analysis.

  If you take America, Canada, France, Germany, England, and Italy with its close to 2 million publishers, its probably safe to assume that 50% is greater than 60 years of age. So the average death rate is likely to increase over the world averages quickly. Its actually one of the reasons I suspect the cash grabs is now while people are "younger."

  With that in mind and the meager increases, the death rate is likely to overtake the growth of 2ish % they are seeing. I suspect we are only 3-5 years from a normal -1% decrease.

  A few years ago I would have thought differently due to growth in developing countries, but that stagnated slightly so, I'm back to the -1ish guess in the 3-5.
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  Rejecting something due to unscriptural or pagan origins.....?

  by stuckinarut2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so witnesses reject many practices or holidays due to their "unscriptural or pagan" origins.. for example, birthday celebrations, mothers or father's day, christmas etc..... most people in the world will say "but the origin doesn't matter anymore, we follow this custom now because it's a joyful occasion that creates happy times and brings the family together".

  it is still firmly rejected.. so, if the wrong origin is so important, and should result in rejecting something, why isn't the same principle applied to the actual jehovah's witness faith itself!?.

  after all, the very foundation of the organisation was based on wrong understandings of the bible, far fetched teachings and doctrines, links to false religious backgrounds, pyramidology, false predictions, inaccurate beliefs etc...... using their reasoning, it doesn't matter how good something is now, if the origin was faulty to begin with?

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  Time for the necktie's to revolt due to the pagan origin of being worn by Roman soldiers. I thought I was no part of this world?
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  Is Watchtower imploding? 10 reasons why the end could be nigh

  by WildeLover in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  http://jwsurvey.org/cedars-blog/is-watchtower-imploding-10-reasons-why-the-end-could-be-nigh.

  i dont know how to hyperlink the link above,.

  it's a link to an article by cedars on the possibility of the wt imploding?.

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  2 days ago

  All CO's and retired DO's, along with all special servants that retire in the service are paid a monthly stipend. I've seen the direct deposit slips. They get a small living allowance (rent) and funds for food etc..

  The program I'm told (I only know of Canada and the US) is that they these "special people" work directly with the branch to budget and indicate how much funds are needed on a monthly basis. In Canada they have a system of Old Age Security that provides funds to those of age and that is factored into the equation. The same is the case for US retired persons that qualify for the Social Security. Additionally, the branch encourages them to find suitable rent (aka cheap rent), and they go on there merry way expecting a check each month. I do know its now all direct deposit.

  All in all its retirement plan for those still very loyal to the order. They just don't call it that.
  

  Yes your donations are needed to fund a great building work of retirees.
  
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  Canadian Convention 2015: English & French

  by wifibandit in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  elderinewton and wifibandit bring you the canadian rc 2015 in english (feat.

  david splane) and french.. .

  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=plrw9u-n1z2m-moyayjy4g6fjrmsvidm1v.

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  elderINewton

  Calgary, and Quebec City. Both June 19 - 21.
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  Is Watchtower imploding? 10 reasons why the end could be nigh

  by WildeLover in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  http://jwsurvey.org/cedars-blog/is-watchtower-imploding-10-reasons-why-the-end-could-be-nigh.

  i dont know how to hyperlink the link above,.

  it's a link to an article by cedars on the possibility of the wt imploding?.

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  elderINewton

  The one main item that people seem to miss is the pension influence within the WT walls. One can't help but notice how many CO's and other full time (aka paid by WT) servants are retiring. This in turn is causing a "pension" crisis within the organization. In truth if you made me guess, its probably a growing burden that they did not plan on paying.

  I could not help but notice that that organization has this new burden that is having an impact on a larger scale than most realize. But it also hides some hidden assets that very few know about, that being the various CO and older DO homes that were purchased by circuits (and the members not the org) which there is now an attempt to bring under the WT fold. These assets are in turn being used by some retired CO's and DO's effectively becoming retirement homes. Still its a financial drain.

  If there is also a financial drain then then there is likely needs to further cost cut, and also bring in much younger members to bethel to ensure a good turnover so that when someone hits 30ish they can be asked to leave without a future pension cost/expense.

  Demographics and spending are always tied together. The real question is how much of the millions spent each year are for these retiree costs? Just another reason that that many miss with the $$$