Posts by bottleofwater

my dad won't pay for my college if i don't pioneer.. if i get a job, i can't pioneer while in college.. i can supposedly work and study, but i need a good way to get rid of pioneering (it was never my idea in the first place - blame the parents with their social coercion).. if i stop pioneering, i will be told by my parents that i don't love jehovah (not that i care what they say).. how can i do this as painlessly as possible?.

i want to move out someday and have enough money to do this.. by the way, if you read my started topics you will see my situation in more detail and that my dad is the coordinator of the boe..

bottleofwater

http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/experiences/200239/1/Me-and-my-story-Issues-issues-issues

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Me and my story... Issues, issues, issues

by bottleofwater in

my parents learned the truth when i was about 2 years old or so and they got baptized when i was 4.. they came from ukraine from the former soviet union and i was born months after they came to brooklyn.. they started studying with a sister who was american and joined the first russian group in brooklyn.. my brother was born when i was 5. we moved to staten island when i was 8 or 9.. ever since i was 14 or 15, i realized an attraction to guys.. of course, i kept on putting it off as a phase or an "everyone feels this way" excuse.. and yes, i had lots of crushes on guys, but i didn't tell others because it was hard to face the facts.. around 18 years of age, we were having our family study and my dad said that if a person even has gay thoughts then they can't be a pioneer, etc.. and he was an elder and a coordinator of the body of elders.. i got depressed and cried for days and eventually this got me to feel the need to tell someone about it.. i told my 14 year old brother (the other younger one is 7) about it because he keeps his mouth shut all the time.. he didn't react at all really.

eventually i felt like i had to tell my pioneer mom about it (by the way, i've been pioneering since 18 years of age due to knowing that that would be the only reason why my dad would pay for my college education).. she reacted with mixed feelings of denial, also attacking me and making it look like i'm disgusting, immoral, this and that.... eventually i told someone my age about this in my congregation, as he was also a neighbor of ours.

he was a bit more feminine acting, though i wasn't sure if he was gay or not (though the sisters had their rumors) (i'm more of the masc type it seems).

bottleofwater

My parents learned the truth when I was about 2 years old or so and they got baptized when I was 4.

They came from Ukraine from the former Soviet Union and I was born months after they came to Brooklyn.

They started studying with a sister who was American and joined the first Russian group in Brooklyn.

My brother was born when I was 5. We moved to Staten Island when I was 8 or 9.

Ever since I was 14 or 15, I realized an attraction to guys.

Of course, I kept on putting it off as a phase or an "everyone feels this way" excuse.

And yes, I had lots of crushes on guys, but I didn't tell others because it was hard to face the facts.

Around 18 years of age, we were having our family study and my Dad said that if a person even has gay thoughts then they can't be a pioneer, etc.

And he was an elder and a Coordinator of the Body of Elders.

I got depressed and cried for days and eventually this got me to feel the need to tell someone about it.

I told my 14 year old brother (the other younger one is 7) about it because he keeps his mouth shut all the time.

He didn't react at all really. Eventually I felt like I had to tell my pioneer mom about it (by the way, I've been pioneering since 18 years of age due to knowing that that would be the only reason why my Dad would pay for my college education).

She reacted with mixed feelings of denial, also attacking me and making it look like I'm disgusting, immoral, this and that...

Eventually I told someone my age about this in my congregation, as he was also a neighbor of ours. He was a bit more feminine acting, though I wasn't sure if he was gay or not (though the sisters had their rumors) (I'm more of the masc type it seems). So I came out to him because a) I had made fun of him acting that way before in a more defensive move to make myself look good and to dispel any possible doubts on the behalf of others and b) because I was thinking that maybe he would open up to me about his own sexuality.

Well, my plan failed. He was into girls (supposedly) and told me to tell my Dad and the elders. I told him that it was my business.

Then he kept on continually calling me even after he moved out to Florida telling me to call the elders. Ugghh... what a fucking jerk...

Eventually my mouth slipped while talking to my Dad and he found out that I got into a disagreement with Tim because I blocked him on AIM and Facebook.

He kept on pressuring me as to why I did so and it came to the point that he was going to ask my former friend himself. So I told him.

He didn't react too badly (though occasional emotional outbursts, especially from my Mom at times) until he found my posts of Ask MetaFilter.

Some of these posts online showed some pro-LGBT views that I have, my views of the WTBTS, and the idea that I would like to move out someday so that way they wouldn't constrict me as much.

My Dad since he is the Coordinator of the BOE, talked to me about this stuff, including a personal lecture at home to me about masturbation, and gave this material to two other elders in the congregation.

They talked to me in our house and just pushed their propaganda up my ass, so to speak. They didn't really demean me.

They wanted to talk to me again on Friday and we mostly had a conversation advising me not to move out to my uncle's house (because it wasn't a spiritual environment) which was a plan that I was hoping would materialize. I talked to my uncle the day he came to pick me up (by the way he lives in Brooklyn and I live in Staten Island) and he said that since he wants to be able to bring girls over, that I can only stay for a week.

Now the elders found out about this through my Dad and that I'm only staying for a week and they called me here at my uncle's house because they want to talk to me on Thursday here in Brooklyn at the Kingdom Hall here.

Anyone questions to clarify anything in my situation?

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How do I cut off pioneering?

by bottleofwater in

i'm 19 and trying to get a job.

my dad won't pay for my college if i don't pioneer.. if i get a job, i can't pioneer while in college.. i can supposedly work and study, but i need a good way to get rid of pioneering (it was never my idea in the first place - blame the parents with their social coercion).. if i stop pioneering, i will be told by my parents that i don't love jehovah (not that i care what they say).. how can i do this as painlessly as possible?.

i want to move out someday and have enough money to do this.. by the way, if you read my started topics you will see my situation in more detail and that my dad is the coordinator of the boe..

bottleofwater

I'm 19 and trying to get a job. My Dad won't pay for my college if I don't pioneer.

If I get a job, I can't pioneer while in college.

I can supposedly work and study, but I need a good way to get rid of pioneering (it was never my idea in the first place - blame the parents with their social coercion).

If I stop pioneering, I will be told by my parents that I don't love Jehovah (not that I care what they say).

How can I do this as painlessly as possible?

I want to move out someday and have enough money to do this.

By the way, if you read my started topics you will see my situation in more detail and that my Dad is the Coordinator of the BOE.

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Get the elders to leave me alone!!

by bottleofwater in

my dad read something online that i posted and told the other elders (he's the boe coord.).

they've read me articles about homosexuality and tried to coerce me to stay with the family instead of living with my uncle for a week.

i went to my uncle's anyway.

bottleofwater

I agree. And I am currently in college. It's just when I'm not in college, that I have to deal with it all.

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Facebook privacy settings are crucial to control your info!!

by WingCommander in

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friends

i just thought i'd start this topic about facebook privacy settings as i am seeing it come up on here and other forums a lot where you have people who are on facebook and then their jw family or friends are requesting to be friends with them and they don't know what to do!!

we are hearing it time and time again: you "friended" some jw family member, long-ago pioneer partner, etc, etc.

that person then goes through your facebook profile and sees everything you've written, your photos of you and your new life including holidays, partners, worldly activities, etc, etc.

bottleofwater

I made up privacy lists. Especially since I'm not out to everyone and I don't plan to, I have my "Interested In" only for the JWs group.

Also when I do certain wall posts, I choose the privacy (the little lock button with the arrow) button, and click Customize.

I type in JWs into the Exclude from section. And that's it.

I wrote "My parents should just fuck off." once and I made the JWs group not be able to see it.

No problems yet regarding that post.

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Fallen! Fallen is Babylon the Great!

by sacolton in

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$79 million tax demand on jehovahs witnesses threatens freedom of religionstrasbourgon september 21, 2010, the european court of human rights (echr) ruled unanimously that the complaint filed by jehovahs witnesses in france is admissible regarding alleged interference with their freedom of religion.. the government of france had imposed a retroactive 60-percent tax on all religious offerings donated to association les temoins de jehovah(also referred to as the christian association of jehovahs witnesses of france) over a period of four years from 1993 to 1996. the government initially demanded a total payment of about 45 million euros.

the amount demanded is now more than 57 million euros (more than $79,000,000 usd), which far exceeds the assets of the association.the echr took note of the fact that throughout the court proceedings within france, jehovahs witnesses had consistently maintained that the contested tax was a direct attack on their religious freedom.

in fact, it had been imposed on them within the context of the france governments fight against so-called sects.

bottleofwater

Isn't this also the reason why our literature isn't sold anymore?

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12/15/10 study WT page 10, more 'faithful slave' stuff

by EndofMysteries in

page 10, par 14, (get a bucket incase you get sick).

14 in prayer to god, jesus clearly stated:.

your word is truth.

bottleofwater

Well it could happen. Didn't R. Franz have some quote that he wrote about doing research yourself to prove the truth?

Who knows? Maybe another one will drop out? You never know...