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THE GRAND APOSTATE "WALKOUT" - January 1, 2015

by RagingBull in

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after knowing ttatt for many years now...i had made up my mind long ago that after 2014, i would no-longer subject myself to the boredom, pain, and frustration of following this cult...the wt...the borg.. so...i made up my mind that since the wtbts/gb makes such a big deal as to the "significance" of the year 1914 and this year 2014, there can be no greater time for me to leave it all behind.

i daydreamed of how awesome and telling it would be if everyone that could ( because i do know that some have personal circumstances of their own, as i did too) would just .... walkout...never to attend/step foot in a kingdom hall from that moment on.. independence day of sorts?

there is too much evidence, too many videos, blogs, books, news reports and lawsuits for me to keep lying to myself.

Listener

Just wondering, ragingbull, how you deal with 'spiritual' discussions at the moment, it must be hard to play the game?

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The genius of the new donation arrangement

by thedepressedsoul in

ive given this new arrangement a lot of detailed thought and how greatly it benefits the wt and how much it puts a strain on each congregation.. first, let me explain how the old arrangement worked.. you had 3 donation boxes in each kingdom hall.

one for worldwide work, one for kingdom hall construction and one for congregation contributions.. the congregation contribution box accounted for about 60-75% of all donations.

the world wide work box probably accounted for 20-30% and the kingdom hall construction for about 5% of the contributions.

Listener

The org makes money out of congregations selling their current hall and building a new one because of the free labour. I can't see them wanting to reduce the number of congregations doing this. It wouldn't be surprising to see a huge reduction in renovations and refurbishements as these prove to be costly to the society with little return.

They will be only too happy to build halls in third world countries for a variety of reasons. Building solid buildings will make them look rich and attract new members who will enjoy the comfort of these halls It provides the JWs with a shelter in times of disasters, unfortunately the society uses these situations to boast. A lot of our third world countries are actually improving in wealth, land is becoming more expensive and likely to only go up in price.

At least with this new arrangement the brother are going to feel poorer and with nothing to show for it and no goals to work towards, such as a nice new hall.

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2014-03-29 BOE CONFIDENTIALS PDF Adjustment to financing Kingdom Hall and Assembly Hall construction worldwide

by WatchTower87 in

2014-03-29 adjustment to financing kingdom hall and assembly hall construction worldwide.

pdf version: http://adf.ly/juxnc.

instruction: press the 'skip ad' button top right, you should then see the download screen more easily.

Listener

They are using 2 Corinthians 8:12-14 to support this new arrangement. If only they stopped taking snippets out of the bible we would be seeing this secret society being more transparent. Only a few verses later in this same chapter are these words

" 20 We want to avoid any criticism of the way we administer this liberal gift. 21 For we are taking pains to do what is right, not only in the eyes of the Lord but also in the eyes of man. "

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2014-03-29 BOE CONFIDENTIALS PDF Adjustment to financing Kingdom Hall and Assembly Hall construction worldwide

by WatchTower87 in

2014-03-29 adjustment to financing kingdom hall and assembly hall construction worldwide.

pdf version: http://adf.ly/juxnc.

instruction: press the 'skip ad' button top right, you should then see the download screen more easily.

Listener

From the 1st May they will have two contribution boxes and this is where they are being very deceitful.

The first box is labelled Local Congregation Expenses

This box is for JWs to contribute towards their own running expenses of their Kingdom Hall AND the 'resolved donations'. That is, the money that has been pledged by individuals for the Worldwide Work.

The second box is labelled Worldwide Work

This box is for anyone who wants to put in extra money (not their pledged money) for the worldwide work.

JWs as a whole are not a very clever bunch, many brothers will put their pledged money into the wrong box, that is, in the box labelled Worldwide Work because, after all, that is what they pledged the money for. Also, if I am reading correctly, previously pledged money by individuals to contribute towards their own new hall or for their own renovations were previously put into the box marked worldwide work.

If their is a continued shortfall in money for the Worldwide Work the Elders or the congregation cannot make any changes until the 1st May the following year.

In the section of the letter for elders only it states that they must aim to meet any shortfall of pledged money the elders are told that they must remind the congregation of their committment (although they are not to solicit the money but apparently reminding the brothers is not the same as soliciting) and try to meet the shortfall from monies that were assigned for their own congregational expenses.

Another point of note is that the elders are specifically directed to disolve previously made resolutions, this statement is made

"What should be done with other existing resolutions?
Any previous resolution to support Kingdom Hall construction should be discontinued."

According to the dictionary, a resolution is a firm decision to do or not to do something. So what we have here is the head of a so called Christian congregation telling their followers that it is okay to disobey God's direction in letting your yes mean yes and your no meaning no. Of course, it's only okay because it does not serve their own needs.

There is one thing that seems to be missing from this new arrangement. There appears to be no accounting for the cost of publications. It may be that it is just not clarified in this letter. But the first contribution box, labelled Local congregation expenses is for

"These funds should be used to pay approved congregation expenses, including Kingdom Hall operating expenses, minor renovations, and repairs (through the operating committee, if applicable), as well as for all monthly resolved donations that are sent to the branch office."

Does this mean that the cost of publications is considered an 'approved congregation expense'? If so, does anyone know when and how it is approved?

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Essay by Barbara Anderson: "What's in a Name?"

by AndersonsInfo in

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whats in a name?

posted on april 15, 2014 by barbara anderson http://watchtowerdocuments.org/whats-in-a-name/ .entry-meta-icons .entry-meta .

.entry-header one morning at bethel in 1989, after the usual text discussion before breakfast, there was an announcement to the staff about the legalization of jehovahs witnesses in poland.

Listener

Even though the organization is a secret society the pieces of the puzzle are starting to fit together thanks to people like you and others who put on their thinking caps.

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CANDACE CONTI & THE NEW CONTRIBUTION DEMAND

by The Searcher in

when the org lost the candace conti case, the court ordered (pending the appeal) that the org would have to deposit several million$ as security.

the puzzling thing is, the org got a bond company to put up the millions, thereby incurring heavy interest charges.

i've always wondered, 'why?????????'.

Listener

When the whole lot fails they won't be pointing at themselves, they'll be saying it is the fault of the r & f who didn't honor their pledges.

Without a question, the new arrangement of pledges will give them more money than they would have had otherwise, even if the brothers don't give the amount they pledged. (I would say donate but once you/ve pledged money in reality it could no longer be considered a donation). Even if they were to get the fully pledged money they could still play the games they do when trying to get more money from brothers at assemblies.

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JW parents actively seeking relationship

by Leeca in

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my parents shunned me when i was df'ed.

when i got ri'ed they started talking to me again.

when i got divorced & stopped going to meetings they shunned me again.

Listener

Ask them if they have had a change of heart, if so, ask them why. If you get a straight and logical answer then consider your position. They need to be upfront with you so you can work out wha is best.

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How is it that we don't see the deception?

by suavojr in

how is that we don't see these things when we are in?

it never ceases to amaze me and we just keep falling for it.. .

http://youtu.be/gvd_quno9_0.

Listener

Surely they don't ask these questions to the younger ones.

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New Donation arrangement (tithe) Asked my Elder about it he hung up on me

by Watchtower-Free in

new donation arrangement (tithe) asked my elder about it he hung up on me.

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http://jwsurvey.org/cedars-blog/governing-body-instructs-congregations-to-pledge-fixed-monthly-donations.

Listener

If their increase is only 2% then the extra 2,104 congregations a year would be about right. As they normally share the halls, even if only 2 congregations were sharing the one hall then this would mean an extra 1,052 halls would be needed in a year.

It seems obvious that with 13,000 halls being planned or under construction the WTBTS is more interested in being a building business.

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Looking for BOE letter regarding DF'd at memorial

by Dutchdelight in

last year i decided to attend the memorial.

i came in last minute and ended up sitting at the end of the row.

when the symbols were passed out they skipped me and gave to the person next to me.

Listener

There is no biblical basis, just as there is no biblical basis for passing the bread and wine.

Disfellowshiped ones are not to be considered as part of the congregation. This would be reasonable if it just ended there (and biblical). However, the d'fd one can participate with the rest of the congregation in various forms of worship, such as singing and praying and as brought up in this case, also in participating in their form of memorial (unless you're sitting at the end of an isle).