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I need an answer from an Elder or someone who knows!

by Truth and Justice in

jw
friends

my brother after so many years decides to call me.

i am totally surprised.

i didn't know what to think.. so i began to open up by saying "hey ______, what a surprise!

Listener

He may be becoming disheartened from something that has occurred, or for a number of things that have happened over time. I thought some of my family might never speak to me again other than 'family business' but this has not been the case.

I would welcome his communication wholeheartedly but not mention anything religious with him at this stage. At best he may be in the very early stages of feeling that something is wrong but he doesn't know what and if you throw TTATT it may re-establish the original barriers. Make sure that he knows you can talk to him about anything and you are there, don't pressure him into telling you things that he is not ready to tell because he is unsure of his own feelings.

It sounds like he misses you and is disobeying the org. by contacting you. This is a very good sign.

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Seven Shepherds Eight Dukes

by Ish Elon in

who is the assyrian?.

the article entitled seven shepherds, eight dukesawhat they mean for us today in the watchtower of the 15th november 2013 contained this important warning in paragraph 16: ain the near future, jehovahas apparently vulnerable people will come under attack from the modern-day aassyrian,a whose intent will be to wipe them out.a it goes on to say: awhat asecret weapona does micahas prophecy indicate jehovah would raise up against that implacable foeaathe assyriana?

a very unlikely oneaaseven shepherds, yes, eight dukesa!

Listener

One major flaw with your idea IE is that the GB is unlikely to remain stagnant with 7 members, the numbers are likely to go up or down.

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The Watchtower Confirms that The "Faithful & Discreet Slave" in 1914 Were Prophets.

by objectivetruth in

responding to the question - who are the two witnesses mentioned in revelation chapter 11?.

"so in the fulfillment of revelation chapter 11, the anointed brothers who took the lead at the time of the establishment of gods kingdom in heaven in 1914 preached in sackcloth for three and a half years.

" (watchtower 2014 11/15 pp.28-30).

Listener

Objective Truth, given the date 1882 of that prediction, it is more than likely to have come from a different source and Russell simply copied it.

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Deposition of Richard Ashe

by truthseekeriam in

jw
friends

http://watchtowerdocuments.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/lopez-11exhibit-8-to-dec-of-copley-iso-opp-to-plnts-mfs.pdf.

did any of you guys sit down and read this??

it's long but i assure you it's a great read.. .

Listener

Really, they have files on murder?

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The Watchtower Confirms that The "Faithful & Discreet Slave" in 1914 Were Prophets.

by objectivetruth in

responding to the question - who are the two witnesses mentioned in revelation chapter 11?.

"so in the fulfillment of revelation chapter 11, the anointed brothers who took the lead at the time of the establishment of gods kingdom in heaven in 1914 preached in sackcloth for three and a half years.

" (watchtower 2014 11/15 pp.28-30).

Listener

All these changes are a good excuse to keep printing new publications to replenish the JW's library and to keep the need for constant studies and meetings 2 or 3 times a week.

That was a good pick up objectivetruth. No doubt they will say that the scripture in Revelation is just figurative and they were just 'prophets' not real prophets.

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Jesus' verdict on John

by Doug Mason in

jesus verdict on john (matthew 11:7-17).. 7-9. johns preaching had created a sensation.

... jesus now show(s) the real significance of john.

10. john is not just a prophet, but the messenger of malachi 3:1.

Listener

Thanks Doug for putting some prospective on this. It makes the JW message look miniscule in relation to this, or at least their idea that Russell depicted John the Baptist.

It would seem that according to the WTBTS that Russell was the 'prophet' who declared that Jesus was now enthroned as King in that Kingdom of heaven in the year 1874. He gave this message and died believing it, even though many years later the Faithful & Discreet Slave declared that Russell's message was wrong and Jesus was enthroned in 1914.

If there is a paralle then Russell was never part of that Kingdom of Heaven with Jesus reigning as King, although it supposedly occurred when he was still alive. It become very hard to make sense of this.

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My prophecy about the tight pants comments

by stillin in

ok, so, brother morris seems to have gone out on a limb with his comments about tight pants.

yup, he's an opinionated man.

but, i fully expect that there will be some reference to the scientific wisdom behind his words.

Listener

I don't know if they will defend him on a scientific basis because then they would have to defend his other comments on the same basis. I expect they will at least write an article on modest dress, even citing previous articles that they have written on the subject. To justify the coloured socks comment they may suggest that it is not appropriate to dress in a way that makes them stand out from the crowd. They may even talk about designers, without a homosexual comment, but to suggest that they are worldly designers ready to entrap people in wearing inappropriate clothing.

The article will probably come out sooner rather than later, or at least not their usual practice of taking months to bring out an article on something they want known.

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Millions now Living Will Never Die

by skin in

this is the title of a watchtower book published 95 years ago in 1920 by j f rutherford.

it still gets an occasional mention at meetings about how it was a turning point in the history of the watchtower.

but how many witnessess today can answer this question.who are these millions of people alive in 1920 that would never die?

Listener

My understanding is that at that time (1925) those who were JWs/Bible Students were all anointed and they had the special heavenly hope.

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Jan 15, 2015 - Why We Observe the Lords Evening Meal

by berrygerry in

shouldn't this be titled:.

why are we observing the lords evening meal again(wasn't 2014 supposed to be the very last memorial - we really mean it this time?)?.

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Listener

What emblems were used? Although noting

that Jesus had used wine during the Lord’s Supper,

for a time the Watch Tower recommended instead

the juice of fresh grapes or cooked raisins,

so as not to tempt those “weak in the flesh.” However,

wine was provided for those who felt that

“fermented wine was meant to be used.” The Bible

Students later understood that unadulterated

red wine is the proper symbol of Jesus’ blood.

The above quote from the magazine is blaming the 'Watchtower' for it's incorrect understanding. It wasn't the fault of the faithful & discreet slave at all.

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Ever since I learned TTATT, I stopped contacting a sister who I wanted to date

by Yondaime in

i was head over heels for this girl, but when i realized i was in a self destructive cult i realized tieing the knot with her would screw up my future.

this makes me think of the highschool sweethearts i turned down that were worldly.

now she gives me dirty looks whenever our eyes meet a the hall or at gatherings.

Listener

I gather you could not speak to her about the real reason why you were breaking it off. Hopefully you will get the chance to tell her in the future.