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LATEST NEWS : TOWN SAYS NO TO JEHOVAHS WITNESSES CHURCHS BROCHURE RACK
by raymond frantz in
1. watchtower
2. scandals
town says no to jehovahs witnesses churchs brochure rack.

read full article here.... .

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Listener

This has already been posted and the original thread linked to a genuine news article.
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Advice Needed...Again
by wallievase in
1. jw
2. friends
current update- the wife and i are separated.

i dont go to the meetings or in service but im not df, or da.

she is not budging.. problem- my wife has made it clear that she doesnt want me back unless i do all the witness stuff, i have even offered to attend meetings but not participate in commenting or go in service and this is not good enough.
Listener

It's unbelievable that she'll have you back if you are 'seen' to do the right thing. She chooses not to honour her role of wife and rejects your stand. And she still has the audacity to call herself a Christian.

It you only comit one sin and you repent at a JC it is possible you may not get disfellowshipped at all.
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The fight about the corpse of Moses
by coalize in
1. watchtower
2. bible
the new watchtower, 15th february 2015, p6 6, say :.

the bible writer jude recorded an example from jesus prehuman existence.

(read jude 9.
Listener

Coalize, it is good that you question this. I am intrigued by the story as well. As an aside, it is also not know with any certainty as to what happened to Enoch and Elijah after death. The bible says this about them -

And Enoch walked with God; and he was not, for God took him(Genesis 5:24).

Then it happened, as they continued on and talked, that suddenly a chariot of fire appeared with horses of fire, and separated the two of them; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven (2 Kings 2:11).

It would seem that Moses, Elijah and Enoch did not go to heaven as the bible says only Jesus had been sent there after his death

No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man who is in heaven (John 3:13).

It has been speculated that these men may be part of God's plan to use two of them as the 'two witnesses' spoken of in Revelation.

So getting back to your discussion about the fight between Michael and Satan regarding the body of Moses my guess is that the WTBTS is unable to come up with any logical explanation without a total revision of it's understanding of death (the spirit/soul), heaven and other places of spiritual abode.
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The fight about the corpse of Moses
by coalize in
1. watchtower
2. bible
the new watchtower, 15th february 2015, p6 6, say :.

the bible writer jude recorded an example from jesus prehuman existence.

(read jude 9.
Listener

The opinion of the WTBTS is that Jude isn't quoting from the Book of Enoch. They suggest that the writer of the Book of Enoch may have been quoting from the book of Jude or that both writers could have been quoting from a third source.
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Public Talk Outlines
by Lady Lee in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
i have been collecting the public talk outlines.

i have almost all of them but there are a few missing.

i have tiles for some but just numbers for others.
Listener

Hi Anmejaime,

Could you give us the title of the talk and the outline you have so far, we should have some great suggestions and welcome.
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AAWA activists burst into a Kingdom Hall in Kent!
by raymond frantz in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
aawa activists burst into a kingdom hall in kent.

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Listener

It doesn't look like he cares about people by the way he's been treating Mike, Kim and their daughter Shyla. These are three decent people and he's managed to seriously upset them.
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AAWA activists burst into a Kingdom Hall in Kent!
by raymond frantz in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
aawa activists burst into a kingdom hall in kent.

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Listener

What is really strange about this and the suggestion that AAWA may be behind the video is the public comments that John Cedars has made in the last week. I gather he is still running the show at AAWA.

He has come out with a blog and a video regarding activism. His blog has the following heading

Why I can no longer support aggressive forms of activism against Jehovah’s Witnesses

He says he can no longer support agressive activism which means that at some stage he must have supported it.

It may be that he is responding to the actions of the two guys in this very video. Could it be that this was his way of sending a message to the very organization that he himself set up? Is he losing control? ......interesting.
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Elders removed in Northern PA. Congregation
by ToesUp in
1. jw
2. friends
a close family member just informed me what happened during their last c.o.

visit.

this occurred 3 months ago.
Listener

Toes Up - What congregation did this happen in?
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The latest Zalkin press conference on a new pedophile case against Watchtower
by Island Man in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwffgrqgemc.
Listener

Thanks for the link Island Man. Shame on the parents, it sounds like they are not supporting her and she is concerned that they will shun her.

The title of the Youtube is very poor and it will be very difficult for it to get much exposure
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Merry Christmas to all of you on JWN and to those of you that have escaped mind control!
by RayPublisher in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
merry christmas people!

here's my take on xmas.

enjoy this lovely close to 2014 my friends:.
Listener

As a JW, one of the hardest things to control at Xmas time was not singing along with Xmas jingles, it is nice to have the freedom to sing them now.