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  2016 Regional Convention - Invite First Look

  by pixel in

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  2. beliefs

  you saw it here first!.

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  "No collection will be taken". Who's going to collect all the money dropped in the collection boxes and who's going to collect all the eftpos transactions?
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  Part 3- Finale- Settlement Meeting with Circuit Overseer

  by Randy M. in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  this is the finale of my meeting with watchtower's circuit overseer henry turner in an attempt to reach a settlement agreement with some kind of resolution .

  if you watched the 1st 2 parts you will need to see this because it is in my opinion the best part.

  i have also included more still shots of the players so that it will be easier to follow.

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  The CO can't think for himself. The manipulation is sickening. This is the kind of guy that they reckon will be appointed a prince after Armageddon. If this is how he thinks problems should be sorted it would be comical to see the mess they create.
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  The people are mobilizing Mr Drumpf

  by Simon in

  1. social
  2. current

  protesters shut down a trump rally.

  massive numbers of people are out in chicago and have shut his event down.

  there were scuffles inside the event.. despite his lame attempt to pretend the violence he instigates is nothing to do with him it's clear that it is as the cnn quotes during the last event showed only too well.. this doesn't happen at anyone else's events - candidates have even given up the stage to protesters, not called for them to be beaten and punched.. trump is an ugly person and this is just a small taste of what a future under his rule would be like.. shame on the gop for not kicking his ass out.

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  If he thinks that the violence has nothing to do with him then I gather he doesn't have any body guards. It's amazing that he's still around.
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  Hiererchy among elders --so says Kenneth Flodin

  by wannaexit in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  there has always been a hierarchy among elders.

  now it's been validated by kenneth flodin in this talk about the word "princes".

  so not any elder can be a prince in the new order.

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  His assumptions are very offensive to every Elder serving. He is telling them that Jesus will appoint men from amongst those in positions higher than themselves, the CO's and GB helpers. There are a number of Elders who have more sincere spiritual qualities than those serving higher up. It's usually their circumstances or their being overlooked for appointment that keeps them in the positions that they are in. They are the ones that have had families and take their jobs seriously in being the financial provider.

  They pretend to know what is going to happen in the future and have been spouting off with new ideas of late. Jackson made mention of it in this months Broadcast. They are pulling out their ideas from nowhere but rattle of scriptures plucked from here and there and in this case, Flodin reads out from publications as if they are from the bible itself.

  Why is it that immediately after Armageddon the number required to serve as 'Princes' will be significantly reduced? As a rough estimate there would be approximately 1 CO for 75 Elders (I've got no idea and it is purely based on 1 CO controlling 15 congregations with 5 Elders in each). That's one 'Prince' for every 1,500 people. He's instantly going to need superhuman powers.

  Then Flodin has to somehow include the females. They've been doing this a lot lately. Even though there will be no such appointments for them (unless they're going to heaven) but they must reach out and attain the same qualities as the Elders. He twisted the scripture which explains the qualities required of appointed men, even though he denied it in one breath but by doing so, he says females should be taking on the role of 'presiding over her own household'. (1 Tim 2:3&4). Surely they see that as the husbands role but this just demonstrates how they're happy to misapply scripture.

  It really irked me when he said that twice a year they review MS's to see whether they should be appointed as Elders. How about they implement a system where twice a year, they review whether an Elder, CO, GB helper and even a GB member should retain their positions? Their whole structure would fail if they were responsible enough to do this.
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  "I hope Disfellowshipped ones do not attend the Memorial"

  by AFRIKANMAN in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  d---head comment ...by someone called jay witness on that forum-.

  what a smug bunch of pharisees they breed !

  """it makes me feel odd to invite tons of worldly people who are obviously fornicators and idolaters and then not be able to even show a little love such as a "hello" to a disfellowshipped brother or sister.

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  My guess Sabin is, that as the JW Administrator, he is subtly trying to wake people up.
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  Funny things to not do at the Memorial

  by rebel8 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  pull out a can of cheese whiz, top the bread with it, and take a nibble.. .

  say really loud...."oh, wow!

  jesus' body is really tasty this year!".

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  This thread is so funny.
  Bring your own glassc and when the person next to you is about to pass you the official wine, toast them and clink the glass
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  March Broadcast - Remove the Rafter - Adjust Your attitude

  by helpmeout in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  if you have watched the march broadcast you will understand the topic title.

  another propaganda piece intended to subtly blame the victim.

  i would like to see them present a clip showing an arrogant self righteous elder interfering in the personal affairs of a family.

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  At the start of the video he goes on about the improvements and refinements of the organisation and all the new things that are happening. He specifically mentions their new understandings of what will take place during the great tribulation. Whilst saying this, the back screen displays the Watchtower picture of some JWs in a basement. The unspoken message here is that they (the GB) know what is going to happen and stick with us as we'll tell you.
  Part way through, Jackson gets very personal and discusses problems he has had. It's such a pity that he couldn't use this time more wisely and explain to everyone when he was anointed and how he knew.
  He the talks about the joy and appreciativeness that should be felt after an assembly. Again, it's all about him and his mates, JWs should be so thankful for what they provide.
  I thought it was hilarious when he thanked a couple after an interview and said he appreciated their help in letting the audience understand the lesson. Clearly this shows that females on the stage are in a teaching role and they well know it.
  There was another bakery session, this time it was on making the memorial bread. Again, a female was taking on the role of a teacher. They know these videos are shown in the congregation but they wouldn't want to look stupid by having a male making the bread or interviewing a brother with his wife sitting next to him, saying nothing throughout. But the whole baking episode was just weird. Baking bread just to pass it around. It's like having a birthday party, baking a beautiful cake, just for the guests to pass it around.
  
  
  
  
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  Pairing!!!!!

  by brandnew in

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  2. friends

  dangit.......like i gotta cook for this hot chick tonight, ........i rented a suite at the mayaguez beach hotel, and she's totally into me.

  i have my jeep....im still sore from my wreck....but dangit...im into this girl and i need y'alls help.

  im californian....kinda been in the tropic forrest..bout 2years....and need some southern help.

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  I'm assuming that it's starting off at your place if your cooking dinner. If you get her flowers will she need to be carrying them around with her or are you picking her up from her place?
  Why not put some hand picked flowers on your table, go all out to make it look nice. Put some candles on there, don't forget napkins.
  She may not like red wine, or even white wine. If you don't want to ask her beforehand make sure you have a few options on hand, including juice.
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  umbertoecho re the ARC

  by umbertoecho in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  hello to everyone.. i hope you are all well and sorting things out between yourselves.

  i have temporary internet access which is probably a good thing for now.

  i have been contacted by the arc in a respectful and loving manner today.

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  Great to hear from you Umbertoecho and that you've made a very big decision. Just coming to a decision can sometimes be the hardest step to take.

  I am wondering if you feel that this is probably occurring at a 'better' time in your life? I am thinking that had this all taken place twenty years ago you may have been in a worse position to go forward with this.

  I'm not exactly sure as to what aspects you feel this may be a witch hunt and where that comes from in your situation but I'd like to discuss it a little.

  So much has become public knowledge and the media is milking this Commission for whatever they can, typical of them, but is it getting out of hand?

  My husband has made very little unprompted comments about the hearings but after the media outrage regarding Cardinal Pell, he did. He wondered if this was appropriate for selected comments to be readily replayed in the media, without the full context and leaving him with a very damaged reputation. There's been a mob mentality and he wondered if it was appropriate for an RC to be set up and to allow this to happen and if they intend it to be this way then morally, what right do they have to enable people's actions to be judged by everyone without understanding all the circumstances. Has his reputation been damaged beyond repair on an unfair basis? I know it is very hard to have one iota of sympathy for him and possibly others that have had to face the commission to account for their behavior but as a society we need to be conscious of how this affects people in a fair and just manner. Apparently Andrew Bolt had a change of conscience within a very short period of 24 hours regarding Cardinal Pell, which just demonstrates the extremity of emotions that are involved. I just don't know myself but the fact remains that if Cardinal Pell knew what was going on and knew of the coverups it didn't move him to resign, rather, he readily accepted promotions knowing all this. Also, if people like him are in a position of authority then you've got to accept a level of responsibility and that brings us back to you.

  Even though your perpetrator is not alive it has become an issue with the society and very rightly so. It becomes not about the perpetrator, rather it's about the society. There can be no witch hunt here because they must be responsible for their own policies and for whatever unfortunate damage this caused you. Taking it through a court procedure is the best opportunity available for them to be shown and proven that they have a level of accountability that they must answer to.

  There is very little compassion and understanding from the society and why is this? If they show more then they are admitting liability, it will cost them both in money and respect for their authority. It's not game over for them because they still have time to apologize and attempt to make amends. It's taken years for the Catholic Church to get to the point that they are now (although more needs to be done). However, how have they gotton to that point? It certainly isn't from all this being hushed up, it's from court cases and public back lash.

  You need to look after yourself as the number 1 priority and although you can achieve a great deal by taking this to court, if it all gets too much then no one will think any less of you. You've already achieved a great deal by talking to people at the RC and you've already given them a lot to work on and understand.

  You've proved yourself to be a very decent person on here Umbertoecho and I wish you all the best.
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  SKE school

  by alcyone in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  would you like to volunteer in the kitchen?

  http://ske-vancouver.com/.

  i do not understand why they are showing all the information on a public web.... .

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