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What's Tony up to today?

by FatFreek 2005 in

making a jw dot org tv presentation?

making a liquor run for his cronies?

in hiding?

Listener

Poor bloke, maybe he was over stressed because he knew the match was all wrong.

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Please don't give them new ideas!

by Lost in the fog in

spotted this question on another site.

my first thought was "please don't give the local elders another excuse to badger those leaving.

" mind you we haven't signed non-disclosure agreements like this person did.. https://www.cultnews101.com/2019/05/can-i-be-sued-by-former-cult-i-was.html?m=1 .

Listener

They wouldn't because that would easily identify them as a secret society and another identifier as being a cult, all in writing.

It would also scare off newbies.

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i need your help please, for an article i'm writing.. i believe that quite recently in the 2010's, possibly at one of the annual meetings of the watchtower, there was one speech (or was it in a publication?

in a broadcast?

) where it was stated that the "organisation is our mother".

Listener

I think there was a convention demonstration a number of years ago, where an Elder was talking to a Brother about his study and was telling him how important it was to tell his study that he must come to the organisation. They used the term mother organisation.

It may have something to do with this thread discussion

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/230590/our-spiritual-mother

The demonstration stood out because it seemed that they were referring to the earthly organisation as being referred to as 'mother'. There was some discussion on here about it at the time.

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Reaction to GDPR / field service letter

by sir82 in

here is a thread on the new letter to be read to all congregations in all branches on adjustments in door to door work due to the gdpr:.

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/6274619758608384/2019-boe-elders-letter-may-13-england-ireland-data-protection.

i have...connections....to a foreign language congregation in europe.

Listener

This has got to make dedicated JWs puzzled and confused.

When it comes to the preaching work, the organization has encouraged JWs to break laws on numerous occasions and some are recorded in the Yearly Textbooks. For example, banned literature is hidden and even brazenly imported into Countries where it is banned.

It wouldn't surprise me if the organization said that this is a sign that the ministry work is slowly coming to an end.

It's interesting to see that the latest Watchtower tells JWs to witness to their relatives even if they are negative towards them.

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Service Department Reminder!

by Atlantis in

jw
friends

was not sure if all of the friends got a copy of this.. .

service department reminder.. .

this reminder came in with the other gdpr boe.

Listener

They can't help themselves. The letter says that from feedback from they have received 'it seems' some Elders haven't realised that their Elder's messages contains information just for Elders.

What do they mean by saying 'it seems'? They must be making this up. Most likely because their feedback is their own computer reporting system that shows which Elders have opened their messages and not because some Elders have told them so.

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The new Caleb and Sophia Video is a shameless plug for money

by HiddenPimo in

for helping with relief work.

maybe am the iii was sending the scotch to hurricane ravaged lands to help comfort them?.

https://tv.jw.borg/#en/mediaitems/latestvideos/pub-pk_34_video.

Listener

It brings back to mind the pictures of the elderly woman with nothing in her cupboard but still putting money in the contribution box.

Then there's the following video that they showed at a Convention of an Asian family. The mother was single (widowed?) and caring for three young children. They are so poor, all she can afford to feed them is a bowl of rice. She is worried financially and has the Elders visit whose only comfort are words. They then spend their family worship to make cards for the 'friends' in the congregation. One of the children explains how they can still give by putting 'a little in the contribution box EACH WEEK' along with cleaning and preaching.

All this brings them joy, as they sit down to their normal meal of white rice.

It's so sad to know that rather than collecting funds to help the poor, like the family in the video, they are telling the poorest of the poor to give.

https://tv.jw.org/#en/mediaitems/pub-jwbai_201412_1_VIDEO

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CO at assembly in Ohio repeatedly says great tribulation is "only minutes away"

by LevelThePlayingField in

snippets of two talks by co at ca and during his visit to a congregation in ohio.

fear mongering at it's best.

has anyone else heard their co say the same nonsense?.

Listener

Thanks for recording it, although I could swear I heard it 40 years ago.

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More cut backs

by pepperheart in

on saturday i got two awakes from a trolley that were issue one 2018.

Listener

It's funny that they can't even give them away by standing out in public.

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Study Watchtower August 2019 - Be patient and Stop judging people

by Listener in

in this latest magazine is another mixed message to jws.

this is the whole paragraph, italics and bolding are mine -.

10 be patient.

Listener

In this latest magazine is another mixed message to JWs. I don't know how they can keep up with it all.

This is the whole paragraph, italics and bolding are mine -

10 Be patient. When we conform our life to God’s standards, our relatives may find it difficult to adjust to our new beliefs and lifestyle. Often, the first thing they notice is that we no longer join with them in celebrating religious festivals and no longer engage in political activities. Some relatives might initially be angry with us. (Matt. 10:35, 36) But we should not give up on them. If we stop trying to help them understand our beliefs, we have, in effect, judged them as being unworthy of gaining everlasting life. Jehovah has not given us the job of judging—he has assigned that task to Jesus. (John 5:22) If we are patient, our relatives may eventually be willing to listen to our message.—See the box “Use Our Website to Teach.”

This means that we should zealously look for all those who are “rightly disposed for everlasting life” and help them to start serving Jehovah.—Read Acts 13:44-48.
- ws18 October pp. 9-15 - The Watchtower (Simplified)—2018

Our goal is to make disciples of people who are honest, humble, and spiritually hungry—people who are “rightly disposed for everlasting life.”—Acts 13:48; Matt. 28:19, 20. w18 October Study Edition

Sorry, I had a posting issue and the last two quotes are quotes from a previous magazine and excuses that JWs will sometimes give for not discussing bible doctrine with ex JWs or some others. They will stop a conversation by claiming the individual is not 'rightly disposed' or has ulterior motives or only want to argue. Some will even go as far as judging a person by saying they do not want to 'throw pearls before swine'.

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JWs Changing "Baptism Questions" Effective May 13?

by Room 215 in

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Listener

Their reason for asking the previous question "Do you understand that your dedication and baptism identify you as one of Jehovah's Witnesses in association with God's spirit-directed organization?"was to establish membership with the organization.

Firstly, what is this 'spirit-directed organization'? Wouldn't any Christian recognize this to be God's Kingdom, ruled by Jesus? There's no mention of any earthly organization being identified. There is no mention of any membership. Simply being recognized as a JW does not infer membership to any particular earthly organization - no congregation, or the Watchtower (which Losch himself said he was not connected to)

But what's really interesting is the similarity between the wording of the baptismal question and their connections with the UN. They claimed that they were never a member of the UN as only Countries can be a member, not NGO's.

However, the original 1992 application form states "Please note that the association of your Non-governmental Organization (NGO) with the Department of Public Information (DPI) requires that you provide us with proof ....."

They also said that they stopped their association when they realized that there were conditions that they could not agree to (inferring that they would have continued on had those conditions not been there). If they consider an individual to be a 'member' of their organization because of the baptismal question then the same applies to the UN situation but it goes further.

They have been associated with the OSCE and as far as I know, they still are. (The OSCE being a very important member and connected to the UN). The OSCE does not have the same responsibilities for DPO's having to physically show support for their organization like the UN does, the Watchtower has remained associated with them. Because of their view of creating a membership status within their own organization (by merely agreeing that you associate with them in the baptismal question), applying their own beliefs then, it can only be concluded that they are a member of the OSCE who connects with the UN.

Do you understand that your baptism identifies you as one of Jehovah's Witnesses in association with Jehovah's organization?

It is likely that there are still a number of legal loopholes in an individual agreeing to this statement. The first and the major one is that there is no agreement to abide by any of the rules set out by the Governing Body or the 'organization'.

The organization cannot be identified simply by calling it Jehovah's organization. There is no authority that the individual ascribes to anyone else to decide whether they are or are not a Jehovah's Witness. In other words, the individual does not authorize anyone else, an individual, congregation or group of people to decide that they are or are not a JW.

No one even says to the individual that they have been accepted as a JW, at best, they have been told that they have been approved for baptism or accepted as a 'publisher' which occurs before baptism.

When disfellowshipping they publicly announce "(name of person) is no longer one of Jehovah's Witnesses". Maybe they would be better off stating "(name of person) is not considered to be a Jehovah's Witness by Jehovah's organization" Although, that statement may also bring up some privacy issues by mentioning the persons name in public.